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Jet Blue's silver lining--a taxi

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How 2 pilots put silver lining in jetBlue clouds



As jetBlue was preparing to cancel 23% of its weekend flights, a pilot and co-pilot hopped a taxi from New York to upstate Newburgh, where one of the company's airliners was sitting unused. With the spirit that until last week seemed to make jetBlue unique, the pair flew to Kennedy Airport and continued on to Sarasota, Fla., with a load of passengers who otherwise would have been stranded. The passengers came off the plane cursing the airline but marveling at the flight crew.
"I've never experienced a pilot and a co-pilot getting in a taxi cab and finding a plane," said passenger Joanne Golden.
The senior flight attendant confirmed the Newburgh adventure and called aloud the taxi fare.
"$360!"
The special jetBlue airfare between Sarasota and New York was about a fifth of that, but such discounts were only part of what had caused so many of us to fall in love with an airline that treated us like actual people and never like cattle.
The love affair ended after an ice storm on Valentine's Day, when a high-level miscall caused people to be trapped on the tarmac at Kennedy Airport for about 10 hours. The whole airline was still suffering a kind of meltdown on Friday, when yours truly called to check if Flight 346 from Sarasota to New York would be departing as scheduled at 1:15 p.m.
"We are experiencing extremely high call volume," said a recorded voice. "We are unable to take your call."
Callers were directed to check the jetBlue Web site, which reported that the flight was on time. Ma and Pa Daly along with their 13-year-old, Bronagh, and her friend, Anna, thereupon departed from the waterfront paradise where they had stayed three days thanks to a gracious grandparent and jetBlue's low fare.
Only at the airport did we learn Flight 346 was now scheduled to depart at 6:30 p.m. despite the online assurances. A jetBlue counter clerk shrugged.
"That's online," he said. "This is here."
The new departure time was more than seven hours away on a day of near record cold in Sarasota. We joked about stopping into a local tattoo parlor.
"'I hate jetBlue' in script on my butt!" Anna said.
That brought a big laugh, though there was nothing funny about having a small but precious part of your life robbed from you. The departure time had been put off to 7:20 p.m. when we arrived at the gate.
"We're trying to get out for two days!" another passenger exclaimed.
Nobody took an easy breath until the plane from New York landed, ready to make the return flight. The arriving passengers brought word of the taxi ride that prevented both flights from being canceled altogether.
In an announcement, a flight attendant identified the pilot and co-pilot as Stephan Charles and Nancy Fine. The passengers cheered when Charles came on to announce the imminent departure.
All seemed well until the plane was forced to circle Kennedy for a half hour. "Unfortunately, all our gates are full," the pilot announced. "We're told it'll be about 30 minutes."
At 10:40 p.m., the plane finally reached the gate, almost seven hours after the company's Web site projected it would arrive. The passengers were tired and angry, but those who knew about the taxi ride managed a bleary smile for the pilot and co-pilot.
"Did you really take a cab to Newburgh?" a passenger asked.
"We did," the pilot replied.
"Thank you s-o-o-o much!" Anna said.
But, that moment of gratitude was followed by the sight of hundreds of less lucky souls stranded at Kennedy. Too many would be spending the weekend there as the airline yesterday cut almost a quarter of its weekend flights.
JetBlue said this was part of an effort to get back on schedule. The much harder task will be to regain the affection of those of us who loved the airline for a spirit measured less by a $69 fare to Florida than by the $360 cab ride a flight crew took to get a plane upstate.
 
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The much harder task will be to regain the affection of those of us who loved the airline for a spirit measured less by a $69 fare to Florida than by the $360 cab ride a flight crew took to get a plane upstate.

And here is the real problem. $69 to Florida vs. $360 to across the river.
 
Do those cabbies have a union?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Do those cabbies have a union?


Bye Bye--General Lee

HEY JACKA$$ -- you know that's a bs response. A union has no more to do with this problem than it has to do with the 800 billion dollars delta burned through in a couple of months. Right?
 
HEY JACKA$$ -- you know that's a bs response. A union has no more to do with this problem than it has to do with the 800 billion dollars delta burned through in a couple of months. Right?

Easy there chef. I was just joking. Geeeeez.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
What a fluff piece news paper article. What are the passengers so grateful for? Did the crew volunteer to come in on their day off? Did they pay for the cab out of pocket? Sounds like a pretty crappy assignment for the crew. I doubt they were smiling behind closed doors.
 
The much harder task will be to regain the affection of those of us who loved the airline for a spirit measured less by a $69 fare to Florida than by the $360 cab ride a flight crew took to get a plane upstate.

Yeah, like the pilots paid for the fair.
 
And here is the real problem. $69 to Florida vs. $360 to across the river.

This is one of the most insightful observations in FI history. JB really po'd the wrong customer group for a holiday weekend. Expect the assaults from quality publications like The New York Post to continue at least until the Anna Nicole saga is concluded.
 
Don't think it matters if these pilots paid out of pocket or not. How many of us would have taken the initiative to take a cab let alone carry the money to pay for it? If true, kudos to them for doing it.

I'm sick and tired of seeing the lack of customer service that exists around our carriers, especially the legacies! Yes, Jetblue dropped the ball along the food chain but our legacies seem to be doing that on a regular basis, just not on that big of a scale.
 
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What a fluff piece news paper article. What are the passengers so grateful for? Did the crew volunteer to come in on their day off? Did they pay for the cab out of pocket? Sounds like a pretty crappy assignment for the crew. I doubt they were smiling behind closed doors.


Your handle says it all...
 
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like thats special or something??? As if no other airline crew has ever limoed (aka taxied) somewhere to pick up an airplane and fly it into position to make a revenue flight. Whatever.
 
Sinking ship? While the turmoil churned, our stock rose 5%.

Oh well... I recommend that you drop your entire retirement and savings into jetblue stock!

Let's see... Jetblue's firsts...
1. Live TV's in every seat
2. Laptop computers instead of paper manuals
3. First company to ground part of it's own fleet for non-safety issues for 3 days.
4. First company to cancel 25% of it's flights for 5 days in VFR conditions
5. Outsource it's flying to ATA, North American and Omni.

My God your right... Call my broker right now!!!
 
Good that those pilots were proactive. But those pilots should never have been put in that position - and that's the point... What was Jet Blue ops thinking at the time? This is a lame attempt at putting lipstick on a pig - they will try to spin anything they can. I am sure some of those thousands of pax will do what they can to avoid Jet Blue going forward.
 
I don't know what the conditions are like in JFK right now.....but there are highways in NJ and PA that are STILL shut down due to massive amounts of ice. People were stranded in their cars for a day and had to be rescued. This was no small or normal snow storm.

No I don't work for Jetblue....I think they got caught in a very bad situation but had the best intentions (IE Get people where they had to go). Besides, who here hasn't had a time when a 2 hour flight turned into a 7 hour ordeal? I know I have....YQB-EWR....CB's EWR....hold for an hour...Still CB's EWR Shut down....divert to ALB for gas....no customs...pax can't get off....2 hours for Wx to get better...2 hours for them to get me a wheels up time...then fly back to EWR. It was lousy but it happens.....We must fight any passenger bill of rights that will tie our hands and hinder us from doing our jobs. Passengers have rights already. By taking the decision making process away from Captains (who have the information needed to make the decisions) passengers will experience more delays than they currently do AND Airlines will go bankrupt paying PBOR fines to the PAX.

Example: A rolling delay causes to to get to three hours to wheels up time....The passenger bill of rights says that you must return to the gate after three hours....but now your wheels up time is in 15 minutes. You can't wait for it and risk it getting extended because the airline will get sued. PBOR states that you must return. So you return, miss your wheels up and now you get into another series of rolling delays....repeat.
If pax actually understood the ATC system and how it works (or doesn't work) they would never take discretion away from the Captain.
 
Why don't you lead by example and take your recall back to USAir now. A lot of A320 F/Os at Jetblue would appreciate the jesture!

Or United, or Delta, or NWA. Sure, I'll step aside so you can build PIC for MESA or even Big Sky... they're hiring!
 
If history repeats itself, then Jetblue will overcome this issue and be much stronger for it. This "perfect storm" has exposed some weaknesses in our operation, but management has proven to me and others that they are committed to doing the right things. I don't expect anyone to be perfect. I don't know one airline out there that is "perfect", but if you can learn from your mistakes and move on, which this co. has done before, what more can you ask for?
 
Or United, or Delta, or NWA. Sure, I'll step aside so you can build PIC for MESA or even Big Sky... they're hiring!

Not talking about the others. If you're so convinced JB is heading down the toilet, and you're sitting in your comfy home with a recall to USAir, why not be proactive just take it and quit b1tching. Or do you just like being a 320 Captain at Jetblue and barking from your pedestal?

Your "grassy knoll" mentality sure gets old . . .
 
Or do you just like being a 320 Captain at Jetblue and barking from your pedestal?

Your "grassy knoll" mentality sure gets old . . .

Barking from my pedestal... how about pointing out operational deficeines time and time again and being told... sure we'll take care of it and it never happens.

Not sure I understand the "Grassy Knoll" reference. Do you mean taking pot-shots? How about being finally upset enough to say something.

If management has been blowing us off for so long about this IROP situation... what else are they blowing us off about?

3 Years ago we were told we were getting software to fix IROPS. We never got it.

2 Years ago we were told we were getting a new scheduling system. We never got it.

1 Year ago they told us we had IROP under control....
 
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Easy there chef. I was just joking. Geeeeez.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Yeah you rite, bra (as they say in nola). Sorry. I know you better. Don't worry though, a union is comin'. As for competent management and solid middle management ... who knows.

I for one want Neeleman to go. Yesterday.

But what you flightinfo-er's don't get is just how bad it is. I would LOVE to post some of those company emails on here or just give y'all my bp.com password (maybe I should auction it off to supplement my second year pay). Rumors may be indeed rumors, but if even half of the stories about the irate pax, security issues, thousands of bags in jfk, chartered flights, lost crewmembers, airbus crunch in BUF PLUS all the cancellations, the media coverage, our Crew Services system and FLICA completely useless -- then we have just dug ourselves a HUGE hole.

When you get an email from your CEO with the subject line ... "Please Help" -- what would y'all think about the strength of the operation?

Why not post the emails, it's not like Longhorn can do anything about it anymore.

:angryfire
 
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Barking from my pedestal... how about pointing out operational deficeines time and time again and being told... sure we'll take care of it and it never happens.

Not sure I understand the "Grassy Knoll" reference. Do you mean taking pot-shots? How about being finally upset enough to say something.

If management has been blowing us off for so long about this IROP situation... what else are they blowing us off about?

3 Years ago we were told we were getting software to fix IROPS. We never got it.

2 Years ago we were told we were getting a new scheduling system. We never got it.

1 Year ago they told us we had IROP under control....

Ok, we get it, it sucks over there. So I'll say it slow and use small words for you: TAKE THE RECALL!
 
Your handle says it all...
This crew did absolutely nothing above and beyond what airlines tell pilots to do each and every day. Who has not sat reserve or been rescheduled to limo/bus/ferry/reposition an airplane due to irregular ops. I guarantee they took a voucher to pay for the cab. My point is that this "news" story is not news at all. If it makes you feel warm inside, kudos to the crew for dutying in that day. P.S. I hear there is a hard hitting piece on 60 Minutes this week about the rampers who worked in the rain.
 
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Oh well... I recommend that you drop your entire retirement and savings into jetblue stock!

Let's see... Jetblue's firsts...
1. Live TV's in every seat
2. Laptop computers instead of paper manuals
3. First company to ground part of it's own fleet for non-safety issues for 3 days.
4. First company to cancel 25% of it's flights for 5 days in VFR conditions
5. Outsource it's flying to ATA, North American and Omni.

My God your right... Call my broker right now!!!
Doug, you are taking years off your life. You need to go back to your former carrier where life was so good. This will pass. People will come back and in Spring, flowers will bloom. There is much beauty to see in the world and you are missing it because of your bitterness. Peace and Love and eternal Blueness.
 

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