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Right now for the next hour Bill O'reilly is doing a radio piece about the AA flight last month that was stuck on the tarmac at AUS. Below is a link for a local affilate finder.

I'm listening now and he's really tearing up AA MANAGEMENT and felt sorry for the pilots and FA's. He's also calling for the AIRLINES TO BE REGULATED BY THE FEDS. So much for him being labeled a conservative!!

http://www.billoreilly.com/stationfinder
 
Right now for the next hour Bill O'reilly is doing a radio piece about the AA flight last month that was stuck on the tarmac at AUS. Below is a link for a local affilate finder.

I'm listening now and he's really tearing up AA MANAGEMENT and felt sorry for the pilots and FA's. He's also calling for the AIRLINES TO BE REGULATED BY THE FEDS. So much for him being labeled a conservative!!

http://www.billoreilly.com/stationfinder

We are regulated by the feds, just not "regulated".
 
http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/24/news/companies/airline_hearings/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote

Senators fly idea of airline re-regulation

At hearing on airline consolidation, wisdom of US Air bid for Delta is questioned, with some saying government oversight might be needed.

By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
January 24 2007: 1:44 PM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Senators grilled US Airways CEO Douglas Parker about his company's hostile bid for Delta Air Lines at a hearing on airline consolidation Wednesday, with even some Republicans suggesting there could be a need for re-regulation of airlines if a new round of mergers take place.
"I hear this from very conservative people in my state, they're asking for re-regulation of the airlines because of lack of service," said Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, at one point in the discussion.
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Delta CEO Gerald Grinstein.
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US Airways CEO Douglas Parker.
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Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, and Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., also argued that smaller communities have been hurt by consolidation in the industry, and they worried that flyers in their states would face higher fares if US Air (Charts) is allowed to buy Delta (Charts).
Rockefeller said he was concerned that if the US Air-Delta deal went forward, it would prompt two more mergers between the four other large carriers - AMR Corp. (Charts) unit American Airlines and Northwest Airlines, and UAL Corp. (Charts) unit United Airlines and Continental Airlines (Charts) - with each of the resulting three carriers having more 24 percent or more of the market.
"I don't think it has to come down to that [re-regulation] but I think it is something in that order," said Rockefeller.
Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., also said he believes deregulation of the airline industry has been bad for smaller markets, saying it costs twice as much to fly to his home state from Washington than it does to fly to Los Angeles, which is twice as far away.
"I think the market system is best way of allocating goods and services but I think it needs a referee," he said. "It's quite possible the market would say that air service only exists between the major cities."
Delta CEO Gerald Grinstein, who spoke before a hearing room packed with Delta employees opposed to the deal, repeated his company's criticism of US Air's bid, saying that it would cause a sharp drop in competition and higher fares.
"Small communities will certainly suffer," he said. "With less competition, fares will increase."
And he questioned claims by US Air that the 2005 combination of America West and the then-bankrupt US Airways reduced fares.
"For every market where US Air lowered the fares, fares increased in four other markets," Grinstein argued. "This deal is bad for Delta people bad for the traveling public."
But Parker denied that the combined US Airways-Delta would raise fares, even in markets where they are now the only two major competitors.
Scoring a cheap airline ticket
"We understand if we try to charge people in places like Portland, Maine, higher than reasonable prices, they will end up driving to Manchester," he said in response to Snowe's questions.
And Parker argued that smaller communities are better served if there is more consolidation among the major carriers that have a network of hubs and spokes, such as US Air and Delta, because it will help them reduce costs and make the money they need to compete with lower fare carriers.
"For those [senators] who have small communities, which the low cost carriers will never serve, you should be very concerned about the health of the network carriers," Parker said. "We need to encourage an industry that allows network carriers the opportunity to be profitable and not have us in the continual cycle of coming back to you every five or six years to ask for help."
Parker said that while his airline and the other network carriers have done much to reduce cost and be more competitive with the low-fare carriers, there's no way to replicate the model of a Southwest Airlines in a hub-and-spoke network.
"I'd prefer to own Southwest Airlines (Charts) than US Airways," he said in response to one question. "For the record I don't own either."
Grinstein said he doesn't necessarily support re-regulation, although he argued that the Justice Department should and will block the US Air bid for Delta under existing law because it would reduce competition and raise fares in so many markets.
"US Airways-Delta must be rejected because they [US Air officials] are blatantly anti-competitive. They are in fact our largest competitor and I believe we are their largest," he said.
And Grinstein argued that if the deal does go through, it would necessarily lead to other mergers what would greatly consolidate the industry with less service.
"Are you better off with six network carriers or with three? Are you better off with more hubs or less hubs?" said Grinstein. "Approve this, and what you're approving sets such a low standard, how are you going to say 'no' to United and Continental, how are you going to say 'no' to American and Northwest. Say 'yes' to this and you will devolve into three carriers."
While a consumer advocate and a union official clearly weighed in against further airline mergers at the hearing, Andrew Steinberg, an assistant secretary in the Transportation Department, took a more neutral position in his testimony.
But Steinberg did argue against re-regulation as unworkable, and his answer to questions seemed to suggest support for mergers between the nation's largest airlines.
"History shows that most, though not all, mergers are not successful," he said. "I do believe size and scope in the airline industry are important, though.
"Contrary to what some have suggested, having fewer, healthier network carriers could end up with more service to those [smaller] communities," he added later in the hearing.
 
http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/24/news/companies/airline_hearings/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote

Senators fly idea of airline re-regulation

At hearing on airline consolidation, wisdom of US Air bid for Delta is questioned, with some saying government oversight might be needed.

By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
January 24 2007: 1:44 PM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Senators grilled US Airways CEO Douglas Parker about his company's hostile bid for Delta Air Lines at a hearing on airline consolidation Wednesday, with even some Republicans suggesting there could be a need for re-regulation of airlines if a new round of mergers take place.
"I hear this from very conservative people in my state, they're asking for re-regulation of the airlines because of lack of service," said Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, at one point in the discussion.
delta_ceo.03.jpg
Delta CEO Gerald Grinstein.
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US Airways CEO Douglas Parker.
Video
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More video
velshi.story.cnn.jpg
Airlines are finally turning a corner and expected to make money in 2007. CNN's Ali Velshi is 'Minding Your Business' (January 17) Play video




Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, and Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., also argued that smaller communities have been hurt by consolidation in the industry, and they worried that flyers in their states would face higher fares if US Air (Charts) is allowed to buy Delta (Charts).
Rockefeller said he was concerned that if the US Air-Delta deal went forward, it would prompt two more mergers between the four other large carriers - AMR Corp. (Charts) unit American Airlines and Northwest Airlines, and UAL Corp. (Charts) unit United Airlines and Continental Airlines (Charts) - with each of the resulting three carriers having more 24 percent or more of the market.
"I don't think it has to come down to that [re-regulation] but I think it is something in that order," said Rockefeller.
Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., also said he believes deregulation of the airline industry has been bad for smaller markets, saying it costs twice as much to fly to his home state from Washington than it does to fly to Los Angeles, which is twice as far away.
"I think the market system is best way of allocating goods and services but I think it needs a referee," he said. "It's quite possible the market would say that air service only exists between the major cities."
Delta CEO Gerald Grinstein, who spoke before a hearing room packed with Delta employees opposed to the deal, repeated his company's criticism of US Air's bid, saying that it would cause a sharp drop in competition and higher fares.
"Small communities will certainly suffer," he said. "With less competition, fares will increase."
And he questioned claims by US Air that the 2005 combination of America West and the then-bankrupt US Airways reduced fares.
"For every market where US Air lowered the fares, fares increased in four other markets," Grinstein argued. "This deal is bad for Delta people bad for the traveling public."
But Parker denied that the combined US Airways-Delta would raise fares, even in markets where they are now the only two major competitors.
Scoring a cheap airline ticket
"We understand if we try to charge people in places like Portland, Maine, higher than reasonable prices, they will end up driving to Manchester," he said in response to Snowe's questions.
And Parker argued that smaller communities are better served if there is more consolidation among the major carriers that have a network of hubs and spokes, such as US Air and Delta, because it will help them reduce costs and make the money they need to compete with lower fare carriers.
"For those [senators] who have small communities, which the low cost carriers will never serve, you should be very concerned about the health of the network carriers," Parker said. "We need to encourage an industry that allows network carriers the opportunity to be profitable and not have us in the continual cycle of coming back to you every five or six years to ask for help."
Parker said that while his airline and the other network carriers have done much to reduce cost and be more competitive with the low-fare carriers, there's no way to replicate the model of a Southwest Airlines in a hub-and-spoke network.
"I'd prefer to own Southwest Airlines (Charts) than US Airways," he said in response to one question. "For the record I don't own either."
Grinstein said he doesn't necessarily support re-regulation, although he argued that the Justice Department should and will block the US Air bid for Delta under existing law because it would reduce competition and raise fares in so many markets.
"US Airways-Delta must be rejected because they [US Air officials] are blatantly anti-competitive. They are in fact our largest competitor and I believe we are their largest," he said.
And Grinstein argued that if the deal does go through, it would necessarily lead to other mergers what would greatly consolidate the industry with less service.
"Are you better off with six network carriers or with three? Are you better off with more hubs or less hubs?" said Grinstein. "Approve this, and what you're approving sets such a low standard, how are you going to say 'no' to United and Continental, how are you going to say 'no' to American and Northwest. Say 'yes' to this and you will devolve into three carriers."
While a consumer advocate and a union official clearly weighed in against further airline mergers at the hearing, Andrew Steinberg, an assistant secretary in the Transportation Department, took a more neutral position in his testimony.
But Steinberg did argue against re-regulation as unworkable, and his answer to questions seemed to suggest support for mergers between the nation's largest airlines.
"History shows that most, though not all, mergers are not successful," he said. "I do believe size and scope in the airline industry are important, though.
"Contrary to what some have suggested, having fewer, healthier network carriers could end up with more service to those [smaller] communities," he added later in the hearing.

Well if we are re-regulated will that mean retirement at 55 with a guranteed pension like our ATC buddies? Hmmmm, payraise as wel?l......Hmmmm

AAflyer
 
"I hear this from very conservative people in my state, they're asking for re-regulation of the airlines because of lack of service," said Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, at one point in the discussion.

Oh, that's rich. WTF does Uncle Ted know about conservatism? He reigns over the most socialistic, welfare-oriented, pork-barrel state in the Union.

AK has way more service than is justified, and a lot of it is paid for by us suckers in the lower 48. But I guess Stevens doesn't count Bypass Mail. Or "Life Flight" flights to ANC for Christmas shopping. What a f'ing joke.
 
Right now for the next hour Bill O'reilly is doing a radio piece about the AA flight last month that was stuck on the tarmac at AUS.
I'm listening now and he's really tearing up AA MANAGEMENT and felt sorry for the pilots and FA's. He's also calling for the AIRLINES TO BE REGULATED BY THE FEDShttp://www.billoreilly.com/stationfinder


I saw the OReilley segment and don't recall that he asked for federal regulation. He also did not rail on the pilots or flight attendants. He just seemed shocked that there was no explanation from AA management.

Way to go sky Nazis!
Just like the NWA snafu years back.
There has to be accountability for such poor customer service.
We can NOT keep people hostage on airplanes for hours and hours.
 
O'reilly has never labeled him self as conservative. The pilots are idiots for sitting there for EIGHT hours. I hear that when they finally taxied to the gate the captain was whining on the PA about possibly losing his job for letting the people off for food, water and facilities.

If you are willing to sit yourself, not to mention a plane load of people, on a tarmac for EIGHT hours because you will not exercise some authority against some ground operations jackbone, you should be flying cargo thru the wee hours. After all, cargo does not bitch, eat, piss, sh1t, or have crying babies.

You cant wait for permission from the Chief Pilot or even the CEO when things like this come up. Piss poor guys. No wonder there is a "travelers bill of rights" on the horizon. Some guys just cant think outside the manual. Probably prior training.
 
Those weird looking bus things...

I flew Southwest BHM-STL back in early December. The night before they got some sleet in STL that pretty much turned the ramp at the East Terminal into an ice rink. They had the runways clear, so our flight left on time. It was when we landed they discovered they were shutting down the ramp to attemp to de-ice it. They left us and a few other flights sitting on taxiway E between 30R and 30L for just under 4 hours until they could get us into a gate.

My question is, and I'm not blaming SWA for this: why couldn't they use those weird looking bus things, park us all where they had access to us, and get everyone off the planes and into the terminal? They were landing on 30R and departing 30L, but it was very slow; they even closed to arrivals shortly after we landed. They could have easily closed one of those runways and parked us on there for the room to maneuver the buses to us.
 
O'reilly has never labeled him self as conservative. The pilots are idiots for sitting there for EIGHT hours. I hear that when they finally taxied to the gate the captain was whining on the PA about possibly losing his job for letting the people off for food, water and facilities.

If you are willing to sit yourself, not to mention a plane load of people, on a tarmac for EIGHT hours because you will not exercise some authority against some ground operations jackbone, you should be flying cargo thru the wee hours. After all, cargo does not bitch, eat, piss, sh1t, or have crying babies.

You cant wait for permission from the Chief Pilot or even the CEO when things like this come up. Piss poor guys. No wonder there is a "travelers bill of rights" on the horizon. Some guys just cant think outside the manual. Probably prior training.

O'Reilly is about as neoconish as one gets. Are you f$cking kidding me?
 
O'reilly has never labeled him self as conservative. The pilots are idiots for sitting there for EIGHT hours. I hear that when they finally taxied to the gate the captain was whining on the PA about possibly losing his job for letting the people off for food, water and facilities.

If you are willing to sit yourself, not to mention a plane load of people, on a tarmac for EIGHT hours because you will not exercise some authority against some ground operations jackbone, you should be flying cargo thru the wee hours. After all, cargo does not bitch, eat, piss, sh1t, or have crying babies.

You cant wait for permission from the Chief Pilot or even the CEO when things like this come up. Piss poor guys. No wonder there is a "travelers bill of rights" on the horizon. Some guys just cant think outside the manual. Probably prior training.
Dead on with your post.
 
8 hrs pay on a ramp is easy money. The captain is at fault here. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are- you DO NOT TREAT PEOPLE THAT WAY!!!!
 
Monday morning heroes...

The captain is at fault here.

There were 14 diverted AA planes on the ramp at a station where AA operates 5 gates with a skeleton crew. The fault lies with many others besides the Captain. The station manager should be fired without delay. The problems at AA begin at the top.

They couldn't get fueled, they couldn't get a gate and they couldn't get anyone on the phone. This one flight that made the news wasn't the only one on the ramp, which adds to an already poor situation. Put yourself in the Captain's position and tell me exactly what you would've done...
 
There were 14 diverted AA planes on the ramp at a station where AA operates 5 gates with a skeleton crew. The fault lies with many others besides the Captain. The station manager should be fired without delay. The problems at AA begin at the top.

They couldn't get fueled, they couldn't get a gate and they couldn't get anyone on the phone. This one flight that made the news wasn't the only one on the ramp, which adds to an already poor situation. Put yourself in the Captain's position and tell me exactly what you would've done...

After food and water are gone, the lavs full, and I've exhausted other options. Pull the airplane up behind as many airplanes parked at their gates as possible, effectively blocking operations. Tell the operations people to get the people off, leave the bags on, and I'll pull the airplane away from the gate! But then again, the captain has no responsibility any more! So, it's the companies problem.
 
i wouldve ordered pizza ........ gave free drinks......and told ops we needed a gate now or im going to begin throwing one passenger out of the forward door every 10 minutes until we get one.......hows that
 
i wouldve ordered pizza ........ gave free drinks......and told ops we needed a gate now or im going to begin throwing one passenger out of the forward door every 10 minutes until we get one.......hows that


I hear you, and I had my doubts about the Captains decision, however WHO is going to bring the pizza to the airplane? The Pizza store in the airport, do they have permission to go on the ramp? The agents at our airline who are not answering our calls?


I dealt with this in SAT 2 months back with other airplanes now diverted there due to WX in DFW, heck SWA was stuck on the ramp with us as they were awaiting a creeping release time to LUV. after SCREAMING at an ops frequency who refused to acknowledge us we started back (3 hours later) Out intention was to pull up in front of the gates and see where they were going to put us. We were worried about what may happen to us, but more frustrated with the situation.

Not sure if the yelling or the fact that 1 out 9 aircraft were taxing towards the gates (with no radio comm to ops) that startled them however we got a gate.

It is hard to sit here and judge the captain, it is so easy on a message board to beat our chest and say how we would handle the situation, however I have flown on many airlines with extended delays, and no action from the crew.

I don't think the captain should have waited that long, however I do not know what options he had. It is a failure on the part of the station manager, and our overpaid mangement team that had 4 days off due to the holidays. Just like a marriage, it takes both sides to screw it up.


AAflyer
 
There were 14 diverted AA planes on the ramp at a station where AA operates 5 gates with a skeleton crew. The fault lies with many others besides the Captain. The station manager should be fired without delay. The problems at AA begin at the top.

They couldn't get fueled, they couldn't get a gate and they couldn't get anyone on the phone. This one flight that made the news wasn't the only one on the ramp, which adds to an already poor situation. Put yourself in the Captain's position and tell me exactly what you would've done...
After exhausting every normal means taxi close to the terminal, Park the brakes, lower the stairs or Get some stairs brought out to the aircraft and off load on the ramp. Walk your passengers to the terminal.
Give me a break about it being managements fault that he sat there for all that time. What a culture you have there and lack of leadership from the cockpit. If you find yourself in a storm or taking on ICE do you sit there for 8 hours and blame Dispatch for getting you into that situation. GROW SOME BALLS you AAHOLES and lead.
Mach8
 
There were 14 diverted AA planes on the ramp at a station where AA operates 5 gates with a skeleton crew. The fault lies with many others besides the Captain. The station manager should be fired without delay. The problems at AA begin at the top.

They couldn't get fueled, they couldn't get a gate and they couldn't get anyone on the phone. This one flight that made the news wasn't the only one on the ramp, which adds to an already poor situation. Put yourself in the Captain's position and tell me exactly what you would've done...

Couldn't get anyone on the phone at AUS or DFW? Was that an -80, and do AA's -80's have the forward built-in airstairs? If so they didn't even need a jetway, just pull on up. Pop open a door and ramp and gate agents respond, or get in a shouting match with you. Using the tail stairs would be a last resort. Really it wouldn't have taken very long to park at a jetway, unload the peeps, pushback and park on the ramp. Five gates, use three of 'em to unload pax at, you could set free 14 loads of pax in 2.5 hrs max. And still have two gates for flights to the other hubs.

AA's APA, wouldn't the CA be protected by them for his PIC decision making?
 
After exhausting every normal means taxi close to the terminal, Park the brakes, lower the stairs or Get some stairs brought out to the aircraft and off load on the ramp. Walk your passengers to the terminal.
Give me a break about it being managements fault that he sat there for all that time. What a culture you have there and lack of leadership from the cockpit. If you find yourself in a storm or taking on ICE do you sit there for 8 hours and blame Dispatch for getting you into that situation. GROW SOME BALLS you AAHOLES and lead.
Mach8

I expected no less.
 
Couldn't get anyone on the phone at AUS or DFW? Was that an -80, and do AA's -80's have the forward built-in airstairs? If so they didn't even need a jetway, just pull on up. Pop open a door and ramp and gate agents respond, or get in a shouting match with you. Using the tail stairs would be a last resort. Really it wouldn't have taken very long to park at a jetway, unload the peeps, pushback and park on the ramp. Five gates, use three of 'em to unload pax at, you could set free 14 loads of pax in 2.5 hrs max. And still have two gates for flights to the other hubs.

AA's APA, wouldn't the CA be protected by them for his PIC decision making?


No forward stairs on the door, only a select few not just here, but most likely any airline that flew the 80 knowhow to crawl in the back and open the stairs from the inside.

What do you do when you have people on a secured ramp not authorized to be there? Will the FAA go after your ticket on that one? What if someone gets hurt deplaning? Who will be held out to hang for that, if AA didn't authorize what he did, do you think they would back him up, this isn't SWA?

I understand what you are saying, however this isn't all about leading, this is about watching your backside. This is not the airline industry of the 80s. These days you have the FAA and your management teaming gunning for you and your job. The rules of engagement of changed since 9/11.

Personally, seeing an open gate I wold have pulled up to that one, even if was not ours. I would rather be charged for using UALs ar CALs gate then worring about 136 passengers walking around a secured ramp.

Just my thoughts,

AAflyer
 

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