Anti-65 Groups

[Fly4hire]

I know there are several age 65 advocacy groups that were instrumental in getting the change moving foward.

Are there any anti-65 advocacy groups? I guess ALPA doesn't count any longer......

 

[FoxHunter]

I know there are several age 65 advocacy groups that were instrumental in getting the change moving foward.

Are there any anti-65 advocacy groups? I guess ALPA doesn't count any longer......

Try the KKK, most of you guys would fit right in.

 

[Falconjet]

FH you are such a stain.

Still waiting for that apology.

FJ

 

[m80drvr]

Try the KKK, most of you guys would fit right in.

jackass

 

[zonker]

Try the KKK, most of you guys would fit right in.

Another POS scumbag for the ignore list.

 

[fr8doggie]

Time is Short

Try the KKK, most of you guys would fit right in.

Less than nine months.

 

[Doug Parker]

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Hey foxhunter,

The Airways East boys came up with some terms that your bro's at Fedex might be able to use to describe you.................

In our November 13, 2006 Council 41 Fastreads we ask for suggestions for a substitute name instead of “SCAB” for our pilots that would knowingly take position as LCA (Line Check Airmen) that had been vacated under protest by a fellow pilot.


We are glad to announce the winner and runner-up:

1st Place---sent in by furloughed pilot----Kim--------“Maggot” – something that moves into an open wound and feasts on it, – it also has the ultimate objective of morphing into something that flies.


Runner-up—sent in by retired pilot----Tom------“SYOB”, pronounced “sob” as in cry. Letters come from; “S” = screw; “YO” = your, “B” = buddy



Sounds like the runner up term might be most fitting for you......except with your shenanigans, you probably don't have many buddies at work!



.

 

[mdanno808]

Try the KKK, most of you guys would fit right in.

Classy....

 

[swa737-700]

I know there are several age 65 advocacy groups that were instrumental in getting the change moving foward.

Are there any anti-65 advocacy groups? I guess ALPA doesn't count any longer......

I think the apa boys are against age 65

 

[General Lee]

The APA guys are against it, and ALPA would be too if we had a vote

Press ReleaseSource: Allied Pilots Association
Allied Pilots Association Emphasizes Support for Retirement at Age 60 as FAA Announces Proposal to Raise Limit
Tuesday January 30, 5:22 pm ET
FORT WORTH, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The Allied Pilots Association (APA), representing the 12,000 pilots of American Airlines (NYSE:AMR - News), reaffirmed its support for maintaining mandatory retirement at age 60 for the nation's commercial pilots in response to today's announcement by the Federal Aviation Administration.

]FAA Administrator Marion C. Blakey announced that the FAA will issue a formal Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) later this year that calls for raising retirement age to 65 and will publish a final rule after considering all public comment. Administrator Blakey also announced the FAA would reconvene an Age 60 Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) as part of a full examination of the issue. An APA representative participated in last year's ARC on age 60 retirement.
APA issued the following statement:


"The Allied Pilots Association agrees that the rulemaking process is the appropriate method for deciding this issue, rather than through federal legislation. That noted, the traveling public's safety is the overriding reason why we should continue requiring our nation's commercial airline pilots to retire at age 60. We are optimistic that after careful examination, the FAA will decide that public safety is best served by maintaining retirement at age 60. Since the FAA established age 60 retirement some 48 years ago, not one single airline accident has been attributed to the sudden or subtle effects of aging. "The U.S. Court of Appeals ruled in 1997 that age is a 'bona fide occupational qualification' for commercial pilots because of the work's safety-sensitive nature, and the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed that ruling in 2005. As for modifying the policy for economic reasons -- in essence, to be able to work more years -- public safety must always take precedence over financial considerations. Other safety-sensitive occupations in the U.S. also have mandatory retirement ages, including air traffic controllers, who must retire at age 56."The recent proposal by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) to increase mandatory retirement age requires that one pilot in the cockpit be under the age of 60. Apparently, even ICAO has questions about how old is too old.


"In the exacting environment of commercial aviation, the public's safety must always come first."
Founded in 1963, the Allied Pilots Association -- the largest independent pilot union in the U.S. -- is headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas. APA represents the 12,000 pilots of American Airlines, including more than 2,800 pilots on furlough. The furloughs began shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks. Also, several hundred American Airlines pilots are on full-time military leave of absence serving in the armed forces. The union's Web site address is www.alliedpilots.org. American Airlines is the nation's largest passenger carrier.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Fly4hire]

Try the KKK, most of you guys would fit right in.

Added to twit filter......

 

[xjhawk]

Its a little rediculous that ALPA is against bringing our age where we can fly for an airline up to 65. The historical reasons which brought this rule about barely has merit. A lot of it is based in a culture where they just wanted to get the old guys out and they were happy to go since the gold lined retirements were something they were looking forward to enjoying. But lets look at today.

Most pilots will not have a retirement at age 60....government or much (compared to the retirements of the past) to live on

Health care benefits will end at 60, and many will not afford health care after they stop working

Doctors perform critical surguries after the age of 60, I think a pilot who dies even at a ritical stage of flight is not as dangerous as a surgon with a sharp knive in someones body.

Okay now, lets ask our leadership why they are opposed to this with out the same song and dance bull$hit they are giving. Greed

This is one thing I am happy about ALPA failing at.......................gee maybe they could represent the entire pilot group..........and open their eyes........ Mr Prater, embrace the new law, its a lost cause and you will make alpa even more pathetic fighting it

 

[d328pilot]

ALPA does not support it because the Board of Directors have not pushed for a change. Prater cannot change his mind unless he is told to change the current policy by the BOD. If the majority of the BOD does not support a change, most likely the majority of the pilots dont either.

 

[jetjockey#1]

Its a little rediculous that ALPA is against bringing our age where we can fly for an airline up to 65. The historical reasons which brought this rule about barely has merit. A lot of it is based in a culture where they just wanted to get the old guys out and they were happy to go since the gold lined retirements were something they were looking forward to enjoying. But lets look at today.

Most pilots will not have a retirement at age 60....government or much (compared to the retirements of the past) to live on

Health care benefits will end at 60, and many will not afford health care after they stop working

Doctors perform critical surguries after the age of 60, I think a pilot who dies even at a ritical stage of flight is not as dangerous as a surgon with a sharp knive in someones body.

Okay now, lets ask our leadership why they are opposed to this with out the same song and dance bull$hit they are giving. Greed

This is one thing I am happy about ALPA failing at.......................gee maybe they could represent the entire pilot group..........and open their eyes........ Mr Prater, embrace the new law, its a lost cause and you will make alpa even more pathetic fighting it

ALPA members, about 60,000 of us don't want to change the rule by a margin of almost 7 out of 10. Yes it is greed, if not, all the captains would have no problem going back to the right seat. Yeah right, they'll retire before they have to pull the gear of some of their fo's, and laugh at their stupid jokes, and oh yeah take a HE$# of a paycut, etc...
The individuals who want to change the rule, they only want to change it, IF THEY CAN MAINTAIN THEIR CAPTAIN SEAT. If not, bring it on, have some captain here state that they would not mind a bit going back to the right seat for another five years.
After all, most of the older fellows nearing retirement have been captains for a number of years already, THANKS TO THE AGE 60 RULE.....

 

[SLEDNECK]

The individuals who want to change the rule, they only want to change it, IF THEY CAN MAINTAIN THEIR CAPTAIN SEAT. If not, bring it on, have some captain here state that they would not mind a bit going back to the right seat for another five years.
After all, most of the older fellows nearing retirement have been captains for a number of years already, THANKS TO THE AGE 60 RULE.....[/quote]

Exactly, since someone has to be under 60 then make the over 60 go to the right seat at the bottom. Why should the one with the limitation be the one making the most money at the top of the list? I'm still hoping for an anti-65 group to organize since the different unions seemed to be split. If the overall split is really 70/30, then I think that it should be a part of the decision process.

 

[NoJoy]

Very well said on the last two posts. You turn 60, and back to the right seat you go. Now where did i put those white robes?

 

[C-21Pilot]

Try the KKK, most of you guys would fit right in.

Foxhunter,

You want sympathy and support from the ALPA majority after you refer to those supporting keeping the rule in place "as fitting right in with the the KKK."

 

[sandman2122]

I know there are several age 65 advocacy groups that were instrumental in getting the change moving foward.

Are there any anti-65 advocacy groups? I guess ALPA doesn't count any longer......

Yes there are two groups that I know about in the deveopment stages - there's one at FedEx - the other one is from the UPS pilot group.

Look for announcements in the near future......

 

[Fly4hire]

Excellent. Democracy and lobbying work both ways. We absolutely have to mitigate or negate the damage caused by these proposed changes. There are ways to allow 65 without impacting career progression for those younger pilots.

I'm sure all those altruistic senior pilots who support 65 will embrace a solution that benefits everyone.

 

[scarlet]

there are limitations just like anything with FAA--ask your AME--at age 55 you will have a stress test on a trend mill 9 mins in a run.??

Pilots think they are just going to change the rule and put nothing in place to check him?

 

[El Pobre]

Let's see....in just one day Foxhunter has called people with an opinion other than his own KKK worthy and SCABS. Seems to me like this man is stressed out....forget age 65, he probably won't make it to 60....but look at the bright side, he will get a very nice plaque on the library wall in the AOC.

Relax Foxhunter, enjoy your last few months of work flying then go get a fun flying job somewhere. With your incredible experience, you should be able to get a job anywhere. Cheers!

 

[El Pobre]

PS why is it only FEDEX and UPS that have groups forming to combat age 65 upgrade discrimination, where are the pax guys?

 

[Southbound]

there are limitations just like anything with FAA--ask your AME--at age 55 you will have a stress test on a trend mill 9 mins in a run.??

Pilots think they are just going to change the rule and put nothing in place to check him?

Can anyone verify the ICAO medical standard in terms of a stress test after age 55? I have heard it to be the case but have never seen anything in writing. If this age 65 crap passes you old farts who've been living on cheeseburgers and pretzles will be wishing things were left the way they currently stand......though you will all just continue to drive up our LTD premiums.

"Here Captain, I am just stuffed, could you help me finish my friend cheese sticks and the bacon double burger?"

 

[bubbers44]

Fed Ex and UPS have good retirement programs, since 9/11 a lot of US pilots have lost most of their retirement so have a need to not retire at 60. Since the rest of the world has gone to 65 I think the FAA will have a hard time not going along after the NPRM is over.

 

[BeCareful!]

Press ReleaseSource: Allied Pilots Association
Allied Pilots Association Emphasizes Support for Retirement at Age 60 as FAA Announces Proposal to Raise Limit
Tuesday January 30, 5:22 pm ET
FORT WORTH, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The Allied Pilots Association (APA), representing the 12,000 pilots of American Airlines (NYSE:AMR - News), reaffirmed its support for maintaining mandatory retirement at age 60 for the nation's commercial pilots in response to today's announcement by the Federal Aviation Administration.

]FAA Administrator Marion C. Blakey announced that the FAA will issue a formal Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) later this year that calls for raising retirement age to 65 and will publish a final rule after considering all public comment. Administrator Blakey also announced the FAA would reconvene an Age 60 Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) as part of a full examination of the issue. An APA representative participated in last year's ARC on age 60 retirement.
APA issued the following statement:


"The Allied Pilots Association agrees that the rulemaking process is the appropriate method for deciding this issue, rather than through federal legislation. That noted, the traveling public's safety is the overriding reason why we should continue requiring our nation's commercial airline pilots to retire at age 60. We are optimistic that after careful examination, the FAA will decide that public safety is best served by maintaining retirement at age 60. Since the FAA established age 60 retirement some 48 years ago, not one single airline accident has been attributed to the sudden or subtle effects of aging. "The U.S. Court of Appeals ruled in 1997 that age is a 'bona fide occupational qualification' for commercial pilots because of the work's safety-sensitive nature, and the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed that ruling in 2005. As for modifying the policy for economic reasons -- in essence, to be able to work more years -- public safety must always take precedence over financial considerations. Other safety-sensitive occupations in the U.S. also have mandatory retirement ages, including air traffic controllers, who must retire at age 56."The recent proposal by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) to increase mandatory retirement age requires that one pilot in the cockpit be under the age of 60. Apparently, even ICAO has questions about how old is too old.


"In the exacting environment of commercial aviation, the public's safety must always come first."
Founded in 1963, the Allied Pilots Association -- the largest independent pilot union in the U.S. -- is headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas. APA represents the 12,000 pilots of American Airlines, including more than 2,800 pilots on furlough. The furloughs began shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks. Also, several hundred American Airlines pilots are on full-time military leave of absence serving in the armed forces. The union's Web site address is www.alliedpilots.org. American Airlines is the nation's largest passenger carrier.



Bye Bye--General Lee

Let's get APA to start a MEMBERSHIP DRIVE!

Sign me UP!

 

[FoxHunter]

Yes there are two groups that I know about in the deveopment stages - there's one at FedEx - the other one is from the UPS pilot group.

Look for announcements in the near future......

You can name it "Band of Brothers II".:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Tejas-Jet]

there are limitations just like anything with FAA--ask your AME--at age 55 you will have a stress test on a trend mill 9 mins in a run.??

Pilots think they are just going to change the rule and put nothing in place to check him?

Guys, I already told you....9 minutes on a stress test utilizing the Buce protocol can be done by any fat a$$ and he won't even break a sweat getting to that point..

There will be something in place to check that pilot who is over age 60...the very same thing we have in place now to check that over 60 crop duster, CFI, Pt 91 pilot, test pilot, etc.

It's called a flight physical administered every 6 months to maintain a 1st class. The FAA has already said that the standards will not change just because of age 65...and it may go to once a year...

Tejas

 

[FoxHunter]

Let's see....in just one day Foxhunter has called people with an opinion other than his own KKK worthy and SCABS. Seems to me like this man is stressed out....forget age 65, he probably won't make it to 60....but look at the bright side, he will get a very nice plaque on the library wall in the AOC.

Relax Foxhunter, enjoy your last few months of work flying then go get a fun flying job somewhere. With your incredible experience, you should be able to get a job anywhere. Cheers!

This is relaxation! You guys are more entertainment than Leno or Dave!! :laugh: Talk about looking like chickens running around with their heads cut off. Pure entertainment, pure fu8kin entertainment!!! Hope your situational awareness is better in the cockpit.

 

[zonker]

Not much longer until Foxhunter gets his walking papers. The rule may be changing, but at least this POS won't benefit.

:beer:

 

[FoxHunter]

Not much longer until Foxhunter gets his walking papers. The rule may be changing, but at least this POS won't benefit.

:beer:

Don't bet on that.