USAir (east) May bid includes 160 recalls

[152SIC]

If the recall rate is at 25% how long do they have to go after recalling 160 pilots? Thanks!

 

[General Lee]

If the recall rate is at 25% how long do they have to go after recalling 160 pilots? Thanks!

I would say 640 pilots. Is that question from the SAT's?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[152SIC]

From the SAT's? What is that?

 

[sonny320]

From the SAT's? What is that?

You're joking right???

 

[152SIC]

Yeah, I am. Hahaha. That was sure funny, huh? Maybe I am the next Eddie Izzard? Perhaps...

Dork.

What's SAT's?

 

[General Lee]

The Scholastic Aptitude Tests---to get into College. Get it yet? I made a funny.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[152SIC]

Oh, that is kinda funny now; against me however!!

I think I need to rephrase my original question!

 

[Bubba Dog]

Heard letters went out to Dec 89.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Actually, I never applied to USAir. I won't say whether or not I fly for a major.

The mere fact that I hear a bunch of USAir pilots say that it they want DOH with Delta is a joke! Your worthless excuse for management can't even finish the last integration. I bet that one will create a great working environment

OK...maybe you don't fly for a major...since you seem to not know much about mergers....if, and only IF the US Airways pilots want DOH in a merger with Delta, isn't that really up for that pilot group and their merger comittee to decide? You might think it is a joke...but it is not for you to decide...unless...oops...thats right, you never applied.

Second, it is not up to management to integrate the seniority list. It is done through a process agreed to in the ALPA Merger Policy. That process is ongoing in Washington DC....and that policy will be applied when it is all said and done. You'll probably hear of a final decision in a couple of months.

If the Delta deal goes through....then ALPA Merger Policy will be applied there too...

As far as the working environment...this isn 't the first merger and it won't be the last...there will be those few who want to make themselves martyrs over all this....thankfully, they are the minority...and why are you worried about it? You never even applied.

 

[elag777]

Just wondering what the story is with that? Why did the blue KoolAid wear off? I thought they administered that stuff rectally.


I wasn't trying to be a jerk. Almost without exception furloughees have expressed no desire to return to the major that let them go almost 5 years ago. We all (myself included) dismissed the suggestion of recall since so much time has been lost, the retirements decimated, the compensation and benefits packages a mere shadow of what they were before we left.

Today, faced with the prospect of that recall, we're all (again almost without exception) looking at it more critically. We're no longer dismissing the idea outright, but looking at it as we would any other job opportunity and trying to determine if we DID accept the job, what would the impact be on our families, etc.

For me, it would most likely mean a two leg commute to a lower paying job, a crash-pad, and having to purchase some sort of transportation at the domicile. BUT the top end pay is higher and the retirement is still better than what I get currently.

So i'm not trying to be a jerk when asking why the Jetblue pilots would return. I am just curious as to why they are making that decision? What happened to the culture? The rapid growth? What made these folks decide that JetBlue isn't the career they thought it might be?

These are questions we're ALL asking about our current employers right now, nomatter how good the job.

I think it was the part about the "kool aid" enema that might have got his goat up? :erm:

 

[machtuck]

well said Tejas jet

 

[Iflewjetz]

You think it will got to '99 hires?

Crap, I guess I've got some thinkin' to do. I was hired there 1/99. Furloughed 3/02. I thought they would send everybody back to the 190 F/O position. When you said the bid was for 76/75 and AB-73 would that be for us too? I know, it's a dumb question, but it has been about 5 years.

I am in corporate now and love the job, but like Bud Man said, the top end pay will never be close.

I think I can pass until they get all the way down the list (probably years) so I would have time.

I have a question for guys there now. When I left, the job was great (except for the furlough part) the money was still there (before 40 - 50% pay cuts) and the schedule was great. I hear all three stink now. I had started my 4th year pay at $108 an hour on the F100. What would the rate be if I came back? Would I start at 4th year pay or get furlough longevity? How are the trips? I'm sure I would be reserve out of PHL. Live in CLT now. How is commuting? Thanks to anyone for some answers.

 

[BeCareful!]

I have a question for guys there now. When I left, the job was great (except for the furlough part) the money was still there (before 40 - 50% pay cuts) and the schedule was great. I hear all three stink now. I had started my 4th year pay at $108 an hour on the F100. What would the rate be if I came back? Would I start at 4th year pay or get furlough longevity? How are the trips? I'm sure I would be reserve out of PHL. Live in CLT now. How is commuting? Thanks to anyone for some answers.

I'm not there.....out like you at the moment. But, the pay for 4th year, group 2 is $73/hr. If it's not that and you end up on the 190 it's.....ready?.....$49/hr.

That, and you only get one week vacation until year seven.

Easy choice, eh?

 

[sonny320]

You think it will got to '99 hires?

Crap, I guess I've got some thinkin' to do. I was hired there 1/99. Furloughed 3/02. I thought they would send everybody back to the 190 F/O position. When you said the bid was for 76/75 and AB-73 would that be for us too? I know, it's a dumb question, but it has been about 5 years.

I am in corporate now and love the job, but like Bud Man said, the top end pay will never be close.

I think I can pass until they get all the way down the list (probably years) so I would have time.

I have a question for guys there now. When I left, the job was great (except for the furlough part) the money was still there (before 40 - 50% pay cuts) and the schedule was great. I hear all three stink now. I had started my 4th year pay at $108 an hour on the F100. What would the rate be if I came back? Would I start at 4th year pay or get furlough longevity? How are the trips? I'm sure I would be reserve out of PHL. Live in CLT now. How is commuting? Thanks to anyone for some answers.

Here's a pretty good website what the pay will be;

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.info/

Good Luck with your decision.

 

[CaptBud330]

Number so far

I have reliable information that the 160 letters go to number 3320. The '99 hires in January are around 3550. So, it looks like about another 250 before they get to the 1999 guys. All that can change depending upon how many pass recall.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Iflewjetz:

Do you work for a discount retailer based in CLT? If so, I think we met at NBAA. I was a 1/99 hire at USAir also.

 

[Swaayze]

If the recall rate is at 25% how long do they have to go after recalling 160 pilots? Thanks!

Since nobody responded to your actual question,

AFTER they get the 160, and assuming a 1 of 4 acceptance it would look like this:

1900 on the APL (furlough list)
-200 or so retired/resigned
-450 already called
-640 to get the 160 leaves about
500ish remaining on furlough who have not been given a chance to come back; so at a 25% rate just another 125 recalls would mean first pass of the list complete and could easily happen by year's end.

 

[jp1030]

I have reliable information that the 160 letters go to number 3320. The '99 hires in January are around 3550. So, it looks like about another 250 before they get to the 1999 guys. All that can change depending upon how many pass recall.

Bud,

Is Mike going back?

 

[sean67]

Does the current contract provide for longevity for pay purposes while on furlough?

 

[BenderGonzales]

Swaayze,

They're still calling those who "resigned". Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that those who resigned shortly after 09/11 did so under duress. Can't resign from a company that you dont work for.