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Sandstorm

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Just had some general questions regarding flying for Air India. My mom has a friend in India who is a higher up there who insists he can get me a interview there. Although I have told my mom numerous times that I have no desire to work there, let alone live there, she keeps bringing this up. So out of curiousity, I was just wondering......

What are the payscales for AI?
Monthly Guarantee?
How many hours do they fly per month?
Work Rules?
Days Off?
 
Any Air India Pilots Out There?

I think the all have been outsourced to China?!

So when you call Air India reservations, all the calls go through China. Kind of weird they all seem to have American first names with a really strong foreign accent!!!
 
not an air india pilot, but I know a few.....from what they tell me, it's not a happy place to work. Lots of pushing the pilots to fly unsafe aircraft in unsafe conditions...pretty much no work rules and lower than average pay. See if your mom's friend can get you an interview with Kingfisher or Jetairways........

oh ya....most asian carriers have nothing resembling U.S. work rules, etc. etc. especially regarding seniority and pay....a lot of pilots there are contract workers who negotiate a lot of these things for themselves.....
 
Hi!

I know a guy who flies for them who commutes from CYYZ. He's trying to get a Canadian job.

pprune.org

is where u want to look. That site is like flightinfo.com, exept it's global instead of just for the US job market.

Good luck!

cliff
YIP

PS-If you have a ERJ-190 type rating u can start at $110K as an off-the-street Capt. for one of the regionals in India.
 
First line says it all:

As you will be aware; IFALPA issued a Recruitment Ban in respect of Air India some time ago

I think it is a "request" for mutal assistance to enforce the recruitment ban, there is definitely a ban according to that letter.

"The IPG has therefore requested that we make clear that the
Recruitment Ban applies to all companies in the Air India group."
 
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First line says it all:

As you will be aware; IFALPA issued a Recruitment Ban in respect of Air India some time ago

I think it is a "request" for mutal assistance to enforce the recruitment ban, there is definitely a ban according to that letter.

"The IPG has therefore requested that we make clear that the

Recruitment Ban applies to all companies in the Air India group."

I see it now thks; I clicked on the Air India link at the bottom and found the one dated April 13th 04 withouth the first line you mention. Yours is dated July 14th 06 and is indeed clear.

Cheers
 
Whatever you do, don't drink the water!!!! I know from personal experience and I am still feeling it to this day...

This I would agree with and add, don't eat any dairy products. It was the ice cream from the Delhi Hilton that put me in the hospital for a day.

not an air india pilot, but I know a few.....from what they tell me, it's not a happy place to work. Lots of pushing the pilots to fly unsafe aircraft in unsafe conditions...pretty much no work rules and lower than average pay.

Hmmm, don't think this is accurate at all. They have a very strong union and up until the competition showed up had a very cush lifestyle. They are working harder now that there is competition and those that were used to the cush lifestyle are undoubtedly complaining about it. Doesn't mean it's a bad place to work, just means it has changed from before.

oh ya....most asian carriers have nothing resembling U.S. work rules, etc. etc. especially regarding seniority and pay....a lot of pilots there are contract workers who negotiate a lot of these things for themselves.....

In a way, thank god for that. My airline has now given a total of over 30% in raises over the last two years. In the expat world you succeed based on your skill more often than not. I'll take that over a seniority system any day. The longest two pilot duty day that I can legally be scheduled for is 14 hours. Most are less than 13. My shortest overnight is 24 hours. Beats the heck out of the 9:15 Albany overnight.

Flying overseas isn't for everyone and shouldn't be a goal if you think you have a good chance at staying in the USA and working for a good carrier ( Fedex, UPS, SWA, etc ), but it is a viable alternative.


Typhoonpilot
 
I jumpseated (in the cockpit) on A.I. 3 times in 2004. At the time the pilots were PISSED. Air India use to have, BY FAR, the strongest cockpit crew union in the world. Then, during the SARS outbreak, the union negotiatiors exploited that event in an effort to demand more pay. They told the company no flights to China until SARS is over... or until they get a raise. After a few weeks of virtually no Indian flights to China, the Indian Parliment got involved and literllay dissolved the union. It was all downhill from there. I believe this occured in the 2002-2003 timeframe.

By the time I got the story in late 2004, the union was slowly trying to rebuild itself but the pilots were being worked to death. I remember the F/O telling me he was flying 24 days per month, forgot what his wife and kids looked like.

The probelm later, for Air India pilots, is that after 2004 the Indian Aviation market exploded. Kingfisher ordered more than 100 aircraft, Sahara followed suit, Air Deccan followed Jet Airways began a major international expansion, numerous other players entered the market, SpiceJet, etc.... even Indian Airlines, the state-run national domestic airline, jumped into the fray ordering new aircraft. The predicted boom in aviation had finally hit the world's largest democracy and its been gaining critical mass ever since. This explosion in the mkt unraveled A.I's lock on international flights plus it caused an exodus of pilots as they were lured to other carriers for greater pay and work rules.

Eventually, parliment stepped in again raising the retirement age to 65 to accomadate the boom and also requiring that any pilot intending to jump ship, or jump plane as it were, must give their employer 6 months notice. This slowed the metoric rise in pilot poaching (carrier on carrier) somewhat, which also served to slow the explosion in pilot pay.

So while, A.I. once had the stongest union in the world, it has since been broken and any efforts to rebuild have been seriously slowed since so many pilots keep leaving. If pilots leave, you have a bran-drain of competent unionists that otherwise would have risen to rebuild but are now instead starting over elsewhere.

At one time no too long ago, as recently as 5 yrs ago, A.I. was the carrier of choice for an upcoming pilot entrant into the commercial aviation sector in India. Today, the playing field has been leveled so A.I. is just not as desirable.

This is not to say the fat lady has sung yet. I believe those pilots who stayed will eventually turn their labor efforts around and retake all the ground that was lost. I have seen them at work in various job-actions in the past. Truly the best unionists on the planet back in the day. If one pilot refused a flight for safety or contractual reasons, nobody else would take the trip. It would literally require a management pilot to step in.

If you have little aviation experience or you want WB time, I think the shift to A.I. would be a very wise choice. Once you're over there you can make in-roads and contacts with the other growing carriers and sort out your options if A.I. is not a good fit. One thing is for sure at all Indian carriers, the Captain has final word on everything. No messing around with that. No F/A bs, no gate agent bs, no dispatcher other staffer bs. Capt is, for lack of a better word, "God" in India.
 
By the way, I wrote the above post having not yet read the latest ban by IFALPA. Accordingly, I retract my statements about your considering A.I. Follow IFALPA's lead on this one. Do not try to get hired by A.I.

India is a wonderful place with plenty of flying oppotunities. Probably 20x more opportunities there than here in the U.S. If you want to work there put in your apps at the other airlines. All are growing an need pilots.
 
Flying overseas isn't for everyone and shouldn't be a goal if you think you have a good chance at staying in the USA and working for a good carrier ( Fedex, UPS, SWA, etc ), but it is a viable alternative.


Typhoonpilot

I would agree with Typhoon. In fact, having flown a few contracts overseas throughout my career thus far, I would venture to say that its better than most U.S. Majors unless you're in the top 30% of those carriers. Next time my company offers a COLA, I will go overseas again.
 
This I would agree with and add

Be careful what you eat and drink out of as well. The nicer hotels have dishwashers which sanitize glasses/forks/etc. Smaller places wash their dishes in a sink the same water that makes you sick.

I went to India with a sales guy once and he was carrying two suitcases. I gave him some sh!t about bringing so much for a one week trip. He said one suitcase was clothes, the other was his food. He made grilled cheese sandwiches on a hot plate in his hotel room for the entire week. He claimed to have learned well after his first trip to the ISC.
 
Funny, I hear all these stories of crews getting sick in India. I lived there for over a year and was only sick once. A rather minor case of a bug, 24 hrs long, which could have easily been the flu... the doc never determined the sickness.

Ironically, here in America, I have been sick from food poisening quite a few times. The last time was at Panera Bread, ceasar salad with chicken. They are considered an upscale eatary yet the manager wasn't the least bit concerned when my family called to inform them of the poisening. I have never been so sick in my life... really, I mean that. I can think of a half dozen other food poisening experiences over the years. One required hospitalization in NYC and another required hospitalization at Marin General from a restaurant in Mill Valley, CA. I was even admitted to a urgent care clinic in DR after eating at an upscale hotel.

I go back to India twice a year and never get sick. Of course, I wash my hands incessantly, never drink the water, brush my teeth with bottled water, etc. But never get sick (********************, now I've jinxd it). And I occasionally eat food from plain ol' "hole-in-the-wall" street resturaunts.

Maybe I've just gotten lucky. The good thing about India is the doctors are top-notch and come right to your hotel room for $20. Try getting that kind of service here in the US. By contrast, when I had my Panera Bread incident, my wife called the E.R. after I threw up 13 times. They told her she could admit me but that I should expect a 4-6 hr. wait. I remember wishing I was in India so I could get a doc to come fix me.

I'm not saying India isn't a germ-ridden place, it is. But I just don't think its as dangerous as some would lead us to believe. Perhaps I've just been lucky.
 
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just an update.... this discussion will never again be brought up from my mom. my parents are out there in bombay right now visiting family. after being there a week and seeing the general living conditions, traffic, and pollution my mom says she will never again mention the idea of me moving out there for a flying job.
 
India is an amazing place if you have money.

Will the flying stay good there for 15+ years? I hope so, the middle-class can only grow...Right?

-LAFF
 

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