General I have some Quotes for you

[737 Pylt]

That's a pretty sensitive spot there little man.

Coming from a child, that's pretty funny!

I never insulted you! Okay maybe the "deltoids" comment but c'mon man your panties are seriously bunched. It was just a question! By the way I don't hate DL but I do hate pilots who think they are the neatest thing to come along since sliced bread. You are no better than any other pilot out there trying to make ends meet. [/QUOTE]
Never said I was, you must have an inferiority complex!

People like you cant seem to realize that when you take away the double-breasted suit and the fancy hat you still just have a puckerin' brown eye staring you in the face.

Thanks, we call that puckering brown eye, "xanderman!"

I think you and your DL cronies on this board are seriously immature when it comes to this potential merger.

Let's call it what it is Andy, a "hostile takeover." Ther is no merger. A merger is when 2 companies want to join forces! Your company brings nothing to the table, except for low pay, lousy work rules, and an even worse scope clause.

GL can't stop quoting Oberstar. You can't stop insulting anyone and everyone when they disagree with your point of view. And FDJ2 seems to regurgitate everything you two say. So I wondered... Is that so bad?

Andy

And you can't stop antagonizing everyone, so I guess that makes us all even!

737

 

[General Lee]

That's a pretty sensitive spot there little man. I never insulted you! Okay maybe the "deltoids" comment but c'mon man your panties are seriously bunched. It was just a question! By the way I don't hate DL but I do hate pilots who think they are the neatest thing to come along since sliced bread. You are no better than any other pilot out there trying to make ends meet. People like you cant seem to realize that when you take away the double-breasted suit and the fancy hat you still just have a puckerin' brown eye staring you in the face. I think you and your DL cronies on this board are seriously immature when it comes to this potential merger. GL can't stop quoting Oberstar. You can't stop insulting anyone and everyone when they disagree with your point of view. And FDJ2 seems to regurgitate everything you two say. So I wondered... Is that so bad?

Andy

Andy,

I quote Oberstar because he actually makes quotes, and he has the ability to pressure the DOJ into stopping a merger. He does. He helped stop the US/UA one, and in these recent quotes he seems to not like this US deal either. You need to back up your statements if you want to successfully debate me. If you do not and choose to make dumb comments with no value, go ahead. You're doing a great job so far. If you don't like what I say or who I quote, why don't you come up with a better quote or article supporting your beliefs. I haven't seen one yet. Keep making fun, it shows you really have nothing to say.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[xanderman]

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Coming from a child, that's pretty funny!

I never insulted you! Okay maybe the "deltoids" comment but c'mon man your panties are seriously bunched. It was just a question! By the way I don't hate DL but I do hate pilots who think they are the neatest thing to come along since sliced bread. You are no better than any other pilot out there trying to make ends meet.

Never said I was, you must have an inferiority complex!


Thanks, we call that puckering brown eye, "xanderman!"


Let's call it what it is Andy, a "hostile takeover." Ther is no merger. A merger is when 2 companies want to join forces! Your company brings nothing to the table, except for low pay, lousy work rules, and an even worse scope clause.


And you can't stop antagonizing everyone, so I guess that makes us all even!

737[/quote]

First half of your post you prove my point! Second half... I can respect that. I don't mean to antagonize I just have a different view...

Andy

 

[joevollers]

Thanks Judge Judy for that guarantee. Did you know that USAir COO J. Scott Kirby already admitted that the DL pilot contract would have to be used.

Please explain why Kirby would do that above. And no "guarantees" you can not back up. The reason Dougie didn't realize this beforehand is because his lawyers told him initially that the pilot contract was a "technicality." (true story) Then, after he and the lawyers realized their mistake, they called it an "unexpected item." Doesn't that sound legal to you? It is legalese for "ooops."

Bye Bye--General Lee

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Yeah... That's right ...Parker Upped his offer knowing that he'd have to get rid of Every RJ over 70 seats, and could not code share..

To Back up this idea; you then say that Kirby says they will "see the pilot contract through". See it through= Comply with it at all costs in the Generals mind.

Ooops huh? Then he ups his offer by $1 Billion more cash...and more stock..Ooops? yea, you're right..

Guarantees I can't back up????? This is an anonymous forum! I'll will say this...and promise you that I'll praise you as the Master Prognosticator of this forum if I'm wrong.(Please note that this is more accountability attached to it than any of Parker or Kirby's promises of seeing it through). I won't even ask of you to return the favor if you're wrong b/c you'll still be so pi$$ed that your scope clause didn't mean what you though it did!

I don't want to see this happen General.. I really don't.. I know that you may not believe this but it's true. I am also a union member and what would weaken you would have some effect on me.... DP's more powerful and no fool.. I wish your contract had teeth in BK... and I hope it does.. I will be happy if you're right b/c then I'd hope my union would get a similar contract. But this ain't the world that I think we live in...hence the Guarantee

 

[General Lee]

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Yeah... That's right ...Parker Upped his offer knowing that he'd have to get rid of Every RJ over 70 seats, and could not code share..

To Back up this idea; you then say that Kirby says they will "see the pilot contract through". See it through= Comply with it at all costs in the Generals mind.

Ooops huh? Then he ups his offer by $1 Billion more cash...and more stock..Ooops? yea, you're right..

Guarantees I can't back up????? This is an anonymous forum! I'll will say this...and promise you that I'll praise you as the Master Prognosticator of this forum if I'm wrong.(Please note that this is more accountability attached to it than any of Parker or Kirby's promises of seeing it through). I won't even ask of you to return the favor if you're wrong b/c you'll still be so pi$$ed that your scope clause didn't mean what you though it did!

I don't want to see this happen General.. I really don't.. I know that you may not believe this but it's true. I am also a union member and what would weaken you would have some effect on me.... DP's more powerful and no fool.. I wish your contract had teeth in BK... and I hope it does.. I will be happy if you're right b/c then I'd hope my union would get a similar contract. But this ain't the world that I think we live in...hence the Guarantee

I think you need to read MORE about the DL PWA and how it would spoil the deal:



By Ted Reed
TheStreet.com Staff Reporter
12/6/20065:20 PM EST
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Updated from 3:47 p.m. EST


Pilots at Delta Air Lines (DALRQ - commentary - Cramer's Take) have stipulations in their contract that would prevent a merger with US Airways (LCC - commentary - Cramer's Take - Rating) from taking place, the chairman of the pilots union said Wednesday.
The labor pact, which has been approved by the bankruptcy court, "is a controlling agreement in this merger, and it has several provisions that prevent [US] Airways from merging with Delta," said Lee Moak, in an interview.
The contract sets a minimum for block hours flown by Delta pilots, strictly controls the use of regional jets and gives Delta pilots a say over code-share agreements.
Last month, US Airways mounted an $8 billion hostile takeover bid for Delta. The acquisition offer came barely a year after a 2005 merger in which America West Airlines took over the former US Airways and assumed its name. Delta sought bankruptcy protection in September last year.
Moak spoke by phone from Crystal City, Va., site of the one-time headquarters of the former US Airways. That facility has since been shut down, idling several hundred workers.
"This is the definition of synergies," he said. "We will keep your name but close down your facilities, terminate, furlough and use attrition to get rid of your employees, and somehow that's best for the airline industry." He said several thousand Delta employees, including some pilots, would lose their jobs in a merger with US Airways.
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Moak said he had questioned US Airways executives about their knowledge of pilot contract provisions. "They said they were 'technicalities,' at first, and now it's 'items not anticipated,'" he said. "They really have underestimated the labor component of this merger."
US Airways spokesman Phil Gee said the airline has no plans to reduce the number of Delta pilots. "We didn't furlough one pilot, or any other represented employee, with the America West-US Airways merger, and we have stated from the get-go that we believe the same will hold true [in this case] ," he said.
Pilots are in a position to influence the outcome of the merger effort not only because of their contract but also because they are members of the Delta creditors committee and hold $2.1 billion worth of unsecured debt. That's about a one-eighth share of the total, Moak said. The creditors must approve whatever plan of reorganization is to emerge from the bankruptcy court.
The Delta pilots' contract was negotiated under difficult conditions in court, Moak said. While salaries and benefits were reduced, the pilots gained iron-clad assurances that their remaining jobs would be protected. Delta has about 6,500 pilots, down from roughly 10,000 in 2001.
One contract provision sets a floor for block hours flown by Delta pilots. Another says that if a single Delta pilot is furloughed, the airline must not operate regional jets with more than 70 seats. The provision could impact not only Delta's 76-seat regional jets but also 90-seat planes flown by US Airways.
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A third provision gives pilots a say over code-share agreements. "We will not approve any code shares with US Airways or America West," Moak said. In the US Airways and America West merger, the route systems have been combined through code shares until the airlines can secure a single operating certificate.
Separately, Doug Parker, US Airways' chairman and chief executive, said in a statement that his company remains "fully committed" to the proposal to merge with Delta.
He said that if a deal can be reached, it "will create a strong, healthy airline, able to compete long into the future in any industry scenario, benefiting our employees, customers, and the communities we serve, as well as providing Delta's creditors with the opportunity to receive far greater recoveries than what they will receive under any Delta stand-alone plan."
Parker also indicated that he wants Delta's board and creditors' committee to begin due diligence on US Airways' offer. "Only then can they be in a position to truly assess this opportunity," he said. "I am confident that they will do so. We are absolutely determined to take necessary steps to move the process forward."
Delta has said in the past that it wants to remain an independent carrier and that it's aiming to emerge from Chapter 11 in the first half of next year



But, you keep telling me, without showing me any evidence or any proof from your lawyer friends, that the BK agreement approved by the actual BK judge could be overturned. Keep dreaming. But, it won't even get that far, unless you can show me something otherwise..... Oh wait, I will just have to trust you...... I don't want your "guarantees." Just show me something that backs up your statements. I know this is an anonymous forum, but you can still copy and paste something that proves a point, any point. I am waiting....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[joevollers]

General... I do not have the resources nor wherewithal to google or Lexis-Nexis the case law for you... The BK agreement is between DALPA and existing delta Management.. BK judges do have the authority to rewrite contracts an void them..... I have already said that if you're right I'll Eat crow.... But that being said I still GUARANTEE you that your scope will not prevent a merger....want proof....find one analyst outside of your union that thinks that your scope clause and that alone will stop this!...Please no more quotes from Moak.....They are rather Immaterial.

 

[General Lee]

General... I do not have the resources nor wherewithal to google or Lexis-Nexis the case law for you... The BK agreement is between DALPA and existing delta Management.. BK judges do have the authority to rewrite contracts an void them..... I have already said that if you're right I'll Eat crow.... But that being said I still GUARANTEE you that your scope will not prevent a merger....want proof....find one analyst outside of your union that thinks that your scope clause and that alone will stop this!...Please no more quotes from Moak.....They are rather Immaterial.

Wait, I gave you a quote from Scott Kirby, the COO of USAir, who told Calyon Securities that he would follow through with the Delta pilot PWA if the merger went through. Is he lying? Would you like me to again post that article for you? This wasn't from Moak, but rather a USAir officer. Want proof you say? I gave you proof. You need to back up your statements.


US Airways Chief Operating Officer J. Scott Kirby told analysts at Calyon Securities' industry conference in New York that the takeover would see Delta's pilot contract through, although he did not elaborate further.



You know, really, you need to actually step up here and try to prove your point. I continually show you actual articles or actual quotes from people in the know, and you just give me fluff. Come on.


Immaterial my arse! Objection from joevollers....OVER RULED!


Bye Bye--General Lee