Mesaba MX to YUL

[Ridgeback]

Mesaba mechanics told to get their passports and travel docs ready by mid Feb.

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[xjhawk]

mid feb huh? seems like a unch of us will be in mem and dtw longer than we want. how long is mx training?

 

[W&BWiz]

So when are the BIG recalls going to happen?

 

[DoinTime]

mid feb huh? seems like a unch of us will be in mem and dtw longer than we want. how long is mx training?

Can't be long seeing is that its only differences training.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Heard that CRJ FO-types have "DGS" on their schedules for Feb. Kinda hard for an FO to downgrade. Maybe it's "Differences Ground School"?

 

[flap operator]

Maybe they're going because all the mx guys who were originally trained on the CRJ QUIT! They have to keep that fleet of one flying somehow. I'll believe it when I see it and when I have a recall notice.


FO

 

[Joe Patroni]

I just confirmed that there is "DGS" on the Feb bid packet for MSP FO's only. The dates are Feb26-Mar1. "DGS" is a new term at Mesaba.

 

[XJWRENCH]

Mesaba mechanics told to get their passports and travel docs ready by mid Feb.

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News to Me...... Where did you here that?

 

[AvroGuy]

So when are the BIG recalls going to happen?

There will still be people on furlough because there will not be a gain of aircraft. XJ lost all of the Avros and the saab fleet shrunk. What was it like 106 total airplanes in June of 04? 106-56=50 then you add the New CRJs(maybe) 50+36=86 so 86 planes still equals people on furlough.

Are thouse on furlough seriously considering going back?

 

[SplitBar]

There will still be people on furlough because there will not be a gain of aircraft. XJ lost all of the Avros and the saab fleet shrunk. What was it like 106 total airplanes in June of 04? 106-56=50 then you add the New CRJs(maybe) 50+36=86 so 86 planes still equals people on furlough.

Are thouse on furlough seriously considering going back?

36 CRJ900's = 360 pilots (5 crews per airplane)

There are 226 pilots on furlough and most have found new jobs and wont take the recall. If you are on furlough and want to return then you will be recalled quickly once we start growing again. Avroguy isn't taking into account the massitve attrition that has occured at XJ + the fact that we are extremely short staffed. Still in the storm but brrighter skies are ahead.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

There will be additional attrition since you should be able to bid over to compass as the ERJ's arrive.

 

[XJohXJ]

There will be additional attrition since you should be able to bid over to compass as the ERJ's arrive.

Yeah, if only.

 

[xjgearbtch]

YPF send me some of that stuff your smoking. Must be some good stuff.

 

[gnx99]

Not sure if it's related or not, but there was a recent job ad for Saab mechanics at MSP. What kind od Saab MX is there at MSP, other than Mesaba? It was hiring through a staffing agency, not Mesaba themselves. I'll try to find it.

EDIT: Here we go. http://aviation.thingamajob.com/jobs/Minnesota/A-P-Mechanic/1080696

 

[SEVEN]

Big News This Week

Lots of upcoming news this week at Mesaba. The Rundown:

Tuesday: Mesaba announces its restructuring plan

Wed: NWA announces Mesaba will be receiving 36 CRJ 900's with the
option for 90 more

Thurs: Mesaba begins sending out recall letters to furloughed pilots for
a Feb 17th class.

Thank You.

 

[xjhawk]

i see the light.....or is that a death ray

Lots of upcoming news this week at Mesaba. The Rundown:

Tuesday: Mesaba announces its restructuring plan

Wed: NWA announces Mesaba will be receiving 36 CRJ 900's with the
option for 90 more

Thurs: Mesaba begins sending out recall letters to furloughed pilots for
a Feb 17th class.

Thank You.

makes sense to me, I think something has to happen, I could see us getting more, as for YPF saying we will be able to bid over to compass, I wish! That would be pretty cool. But what I want to know, why would FAA types be saying Compass certificate is dead in the water? The compass issue bothers be a little but yet gives me some hope. My main goal is to get PIC so I can go somewhere, anywhere. It would be nice to have options, capt>compass>major

mmmm wonder how big the first crj class will be? any thoughts?

 

[SEVEN]

mmmm wonder how big the first crj class will be? any thoughts?

Unless they have a "hidden" stash of Crj's in a hanger somewhere, my guess is Xj will begin receiving them in April or May at the rate of 3-4 a month. If that's the case, then the classes would be around 18-22. Also all returning furoulghed pilots get to bid the new aircraft if they choose. My guess is that there would be enough senior FOs who would want to get off the SAAB and into the jet. The only question is how many of the 220 presently furloughed will be returing? I know I am going to pass on a recall until I can hold a decent line. This week should be interesting though.

 

[AvroGuy]

36 CRJ900's = 360 pilots (5 crews per airplane)
quote]

Some one check my math, but last time i check 5 fo per plane for 36 planes equals 180 FOs. Is my math wrong? There wouldn't be any new CA unless you are figuring multiple training cycles fo a guy. CA saab CA moves to CRJ CA now FO upgrades to CA saab now there is a new hire spot. Is that what you are saying?

oh and everyone on furlough is most likely a FO unless there is a CA that took a voluntery furlough

 

[gnx99]

I'm still not gonna hold my breath for any of this to actually happen.

 

[SplitBar]

36 CRJ900's = 360 pilots (5 crews per airplane)
quote]

Some one check my math, but last time i check 5 fo per plane for 36 planes equals 180 FOs. Is my math wrong? There wouldn't be any new CA unless you are figuring multiple training cycles fo a guy. CA saab CA moves to CRJ CA now FO upgrades to CA saab now there is a new hire spot. Is that what you are saying?

oh and everyone on furlough is most likely a FO unless there is a CA that took a voluntery furlough

AvroGuy, Lay off the beer man. It takes more than an FO to fly a CRJ900. Reread your post after you sober up, perhaps you will figure out how 36 new airplanes would create 360 NEW pilot positions at Mesaba Airlines resulting in all furloughs being recalled and off the street hiring, even if all 226 take the recall.

 

[i fly boxes]

congrats to all the mesaba guys from this pinnacle guy. I know this is confirmed and will be announced wednesday. I know you guys have been through a lot since this bankruptcy.

 

[flap operator]

This "growth" isn't GROWTH until XJ is rebuilt back to its peak of over 100 a/c and 1,000 pilots. It isn't growth until our downgraded Captains (some more than once) get to re-upgrade. It isn't growth until our 6-8 year FOs ALL get to upgrade. Until those scenarios are satisfied, it is just the rebuilding of a decimated and once great company.


FO

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Unless they have a "hidden" stash of Crj's in a hanger somewhere, my guess is Xj will begin receiving them in April or May at the rate of 3-4 a month. If that's the case, then the classes would be around 18-22. Also all returning furoulghed pilots get to bid the new aircraft if they choose. My guess is that there would be enough senior FOs who would want to get off the SAAB and into the jet. The only question is how many of the 220 presently furloughed will be returing? I know I am going to pass on a recall until I can hold a decent line. This week should be interesting though.

Try 3 in May, then 2 per month thereafter till October 2008.

Also, I don't know how 36 ERJ's at compass will make that company profitable; Nor will it give it any value in an IPO. So if compass does materialize, it will likely be selected for any additional growth. If they scale back the saab in the ASA, XJ may still be a 5+ year upgrade.

 

[i fly boxes]

your pilot friend, let me ask you this since you seem to know, does this mean pinnacle will be the sole operator of the 200 for NWA, or will mesaba take the 17 that they are getting back when pinnacle does not have a contract at the end of march?

 

[flap operator]

YPF - if they scale the saab fleet back in the ASA, how will it make Mesaba any more attractive for an IPO than Compass? Assuming they're really will be a Compass, you know what the heck you're talking about and there will even be an IPO at a future date.

If the beans are spilled this week on this whole convoluted, drawn out melodramatic plan, I'm sure it won't be the whole story. It never is with these people.


FO

 

[AvroGuy]

AvroGuy, Lay off the beer man. It takes more than an FO to fly a CRJ900. Reread your post after you sober up, perhaps you will figure out how 36 new airplanes would create 360 NEW pilot positions at Mesaba Airlines resulting in all furloughs being recalled and off the street hiring, even if all 226 take the recall.

I realize that that it takes more that one to fly the jet, but when the fleet was over 100 planes at Mesaba's peak and now they are down to 50. Add 36 jets that is a two person crew. Most CA are still there FOs are on the steet. Again how does 36 jet equal 360 new pilots when one seat will come from within the company. Now at the end I ask if multiple training cycles was being counted. Overall that still puts Mesaba at 86 planes.

Instead of critisizing how about explaning the reasoning.

 

[flap operator]

Avro guy -

I might get this wrong, but this is how I'm thinking it will happen. 36 new planes equal 175 new captain positions, assuming 5 CA/plane. That means 175 saab captains will bid to the new a/c type. That in turn allows 175 Fos to upgrade to the newly vacated saab CA positions, therefore the need for 175 new hires to fill those vacated FO seats. This means all furloughs will be given recall notices and depending on how many return, will dictate the amount of new hires required.

Of course the numbers can and probably will change based on attritian and other factors. This was a simple scenario, but the point is that with movement, multiple training cycles are required because seats are being vacated etc...

The fleet has steadily shrunk over the last several years with all those A model retirements. Then within the last year the shrinkage picked up considerably. Don't forget that 2005 saw hiring in anticipation of the 15 new CRJs we were awarded. That caused a huge over staffing situation when they never appeared, the B minuses were parked and the avros got parked too. Attritian is through the roof too, so someone has got to fly the fleet, especially while people are in training. The speed of the deliveries, if they actually happen, will dictate the speed of hiring, upgrades and other movement.

I could be completely in left field with my analysis, but it seems to make sense. Hope this helps.



FO

 

[YourPilotFriend]

your pilot friend, let me ask you this since you seem to know, does this mean pinnacle will be the sole operator of the 200 for NWA, or will mesaba take the 17 that they are getting back when pinnacle does not have a contract at the end of march?

I'm just speculating here, I'm don't know what is happening with the Sjets. Ask me about the 787.

 

[SEVEN]

Try 3 in May, then 2 per month thereafter till October 2008.

Also, I don't know how 36 ERJ's at compass will make that company profitable; Nor will it give it any value in an IPO. So if compass does materialize, it will likely be selected for any additional growth. If they scale back the saab in the ASA, XJ may still be a 5+ year upgrade.

They have already scaled back the Saab fleet. 63 airplanes a year ago and now 49. The Saabs are here for a while as long a Joe from Alpena or Sue from BFE MN is still buying tickets on NWA.

 

[flyslow24]

Whatcha smokin Seven must be some good stuff.