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Not only are the rents going up, but it looks like the City of LA will vote on paying off the bond issues at Terminals 2 & 5. This they say will allow low cost carriers to get a toe-hold at LAX, which is something they have been unable to do over the years.

This certainly could have a major impact on DL's international expansion plans if it pans out.

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sounds like they are still working on it

Over the last several months, Delta has met with Los Angeles World Airports and the mayor's office "to discuss our significant international expansion plans into Mexico and Latin America from Los Angeles International Airport," said Anthony Black, an airline spokesman. "Our goal remains to work with LAWA and the commission to understand their intent."



They could also use the remote pads on the West side of the airport for Asian expansion if they needed to. Many airlines use those gates if they can't get Tom Bradley gates. They aren't the best, but better than nothing.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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Over the last several months, Delta has met with Los Angeles World Airports and the mayor's office "to discuss our significant international expansion plans into Mexico and Latin America from Los Angeles International Airport," said Anthony Black, an airline spokesman. "Our goal remains to work with LAWA and the commission to understand their intent."



Bye Bye--General Lee
I guess NWA has a large presence in T-2 and could also take a hit. The City is fed up with the BK process that has handcuffed LAX from reaching it's full financial potential, and also the whining that occurred after the recent announced price hikes on landing fees and rent. The article said they plan to take back all terminals eventually.

My guess is the recent incantations that changes may be in the offing at LGA (possible elimination of overwhelming RJ presence) and now the LAX terminal vote is not good for the present DL plan. Creditors will be watching closely to see how this plays out.

In other news today, US Airways secured Morgan Stanley in addition to Citicorp to help finance their hostile takeover of DL. They also reserved the right to add a third Wall St. firm to the mix. But not to worry, Oberstar will save the day.:laugh:

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I guess NWA has a large presence in T-2 and could also take a hit. The City is fed up with the BK process that has handcuffed LAX from reaching it's full financial potential, and also the whining that occurred after the recent announced price hikes on landing fees and rent. The article said they plan to take back all terminals eventually.

My guess is the recent incantations that changes may be in the offing at LGA (possible elimination of overwhelming RJ presence) and now the LAX terminal vote is not good for the present DL plan. Creditors will be watching closely to see how this plays out.

In other news today, US Airways secured Morgan Stanley in addition to Citicorp to help finance their hostile takeover of DL. They also reserved the right to add a third Wall St. firm to the mix. But not to worry, Oberstar will save the day.:laugh:


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Wow, you are getting testy. Get a Starbucks please. I read the story about USAir trying to grab more credit (like getting more credit cards for Xmas use) to finance a takeover that won't happen. Oberstar will come in if needed, since he helped bat down the UAL and USAir merger, when he was just a committee member too, not the Chairman. Read Phil Baggaley and Ray Neidl's latest comments on the propsed takeover. Both said little chance (Neidl gave a 30% chance the DOJ would approve it), and Baggaley said the DL plan was better.

As far as the LAX news, I bet we could use the remote pads if needed. You probably didn't even know there were some out there. They aren't the best gates, but plenty of 747-400s use them late at night for night departures to Asia. I even parked there on a DL 763 when our terminal 5 gates were full once. It was kind of a pain, but not too bad. Others are doing it, and we could too. You obviously don't know LAX very well.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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I guess NWA has a large presence in T-2 and could also take a hit. The City is fed up with the BK process that has handcuffed LAX from reaching it's full financial potential, and also the whining that occurred after the recent announced price hikes on landing fees and rent. The article said they plan to take back all terminals eventually.

My guess is the recent incantations that changes may be in the offing at LGA (possible elimination of overwhelming RJ presence) and now the LAX terminal vote is not good for the present DL plan. Creditors will be watching closely to see how this plays out.

In other news today, US Airways secured Morgan Stanley in addition to Citicorp to help finance their hostile takeover of DL. They also reserved the right to add a third Wall St. firm to the mix. But not to worry, Oberstar will save the day.:laugh:


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double post. Sorry. :)
 
Oberstar will come in if needed, since he helped bat down the UAL and USAir merger, when he was just a committee member too, not the Chairman.

GL,
Let's get one thing straight. Oberstar and the DOJ... Yes the DOJ... did NOT shoot down the UAL/US deal. Did you read that correctly? yes you did. I'll repeat that again. THE DOJ DID NOT KILL THE UAL/US MERGER IN 2001!!!! What did happen is this. The DOJ did have some concerns. The DOJ was in the process of review and had made their concerns known. These concerns were slots at slot controlled airports and market domination mostly at the slot controlled airports among other things. United had lost its stomach before the issues could be resolved. So therefore UAL killed the UAL/US deal NOT the DOJ. If you have questions you may review the US Airways response to Delta's less than factual filing on the 19th of DEC. The US response can be found on the US website and going to the investor relations section and then linking to the webcast which was archived for your listening pleasure. There you will find a person by the name of Rick Rule who just so happened to be working for the DOJ during the UAL/US merger proposal period. He is now the antitrust counsel for US and yes I'll be the first to say he biased towards US's side but he did state these very facts himself when the ananlysts asked questions regarding antitrust issues that Delta falsely wants you to so fervently believe.

Enough rant. Sorry. On the record I don't want this deal either. Just be factual when you write your opinion if you can...

Andy
 
GL,
Let's get one thing straight. Oberstar and the DOJ... Yes the DOJ... did NOT shoot down the UAL/US deal. Did you read that correctly? yes you did. I'll repeat that again. THE DOJ DID NOT KILL THE UAL/US MERGER IN 2001!!!! What did happen is this. The DOJ did have some concerns. The DOJ was in the process of review and had made their concerns known. These concerns were slots at slot controlled airports and market domination mostly at the slot controlled airports among other things. United had lost its stomach before the issues could be resolved. So therefore UAL killed the UAL/US deal NOT the DOJ. If you have questions you may review the US Airways response to Delta's less than factual filing on the 19th of DEC. The US response can be found on the US website and going to the investor relations section and then linking to the webcast which was archived for your listening pleasure. There you will find a person by the name of Rick Rule who just so happened to be working for the DOJ during the UAL/US merger proposal period. He is now the antitrust counsel for US and yes I'll be the first to say he biased towards US's side but he did state these very facts himself when the ananlysts asked questions regarding antitrust issues that Delta falsely wants you to so fervently believe.

Enough rant. Sorry. On the record I don't want this deal either. Just be factual when you write your opinion if you can...

Andy





Justice Department Rejects Proposed US Airways, United Airlines Merger.

From: Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News | Date: July 28, 2001

http://www.highbeam.com/Aspx/GetPubL...usine ss+News

The Charlotte Observer, N.C. Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News
Jul. 28--The US Airways deal is dead.
The Justice Department strongly rejected United Airlines' planned $12.3 billion takeover of US Airways Friday, saying it would have reduced competition, raised fares and harmed airline passengers.
"While mergers can further competition, this one does not," said Attorney General John Ashcroft. "If this acquisition were allowed to proceed, millions of consumers would have little choice but to pay higher fares and accept lower quality air service."




Really?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Good god General you're smarter than that... John Ashcroft said that the deal was killed to protect the consumer?? Well the President of the United States said that Iraq was trying to buy yellow cake uranium and was harboring untold weapons of mass destruction to use against poor little old ladies in the USofA. Our Vice President claimed that Saddam had close ties to Al Queda. Now bush is an idiot so maybe he got confused but Cheney new better.

I think it's safe to say that our government is comfortable lying to the masses. Do you think John Ashcroft of all people would side against corporate america in order to champion the cause of working man joe football? No........Ual's management ran out of steam in the deal. Goodwin was a notoriously weak ceo and probably didn't want to go through the necessary hoops. Now Parker can be a cheap sob at times but I guarantee he is not the quitting type. You might as well plan on this going through and then you can be pleasantly surprised if it fails.....
 
C'mon now...

Justice Department Rejects Proposed US Airways, United Airlines Merger.

From: Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News | Date: July 28, 2001

http://www.highbeam.com/Aspx/GetPubL...usine ss+News

The Charlotte Observer, N.C. Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News
Jul. 28--The US Airways deal is dead.
The Justice Department strongly rejected United Airlines' planned $12.3 billion takeover of US Airways Friday, saying it would have reduced competition, raised fares and harmed airline passengers.
"While mergers can further competition, this one does not," said Attorney General John Ashcroft. "If this acquisition were allowed to proceed, millions of consumers would have little choice but to pay higher fares and accept lower quality air service."




Really?


Bye Bye--General Lee

GL,
If in fact you are a Delta pilot then I'll take that response with a grain of salt. You of all people on this board should know that in this particular case the word "rejection" does not and did not mean the deal was over. Check ALL of the facts...
Andy
 
Maybe, maybe not, but it provided UAL management with all the excuse they needed to not get tied up with US Air.
 
GL,
If in fact you are a Delta pilot then I'll take that response with a grain of salt. You of all people on this board should know that in this particular case the word "rejection" does not and did not mean the deal was over. Check ALL of the facts...
Andy

Again, really? Post some facts. I rebutted your statement of "the DOJ doesn't reject mergers" pretty well. Your turn. And, I am not a DL pilot? Come on now.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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here you go...

Again, really? Post some facts. I rebutted your statement of "the DOJ doesn't reject mergers" pretty well. Your turn. And, I am not a DL pilot? Come on now.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I provided you with a link and instructions on how to get to it. Anything else? To be clear I don't want this merger but your incessant drivel about Oberstar and the DOJ are merely OPINION created and fed to you by your management team who, guess what, don't want this merger. So how is it you can objectively say that this will not go down. Just like always I'd prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Frankly I don't think it will go down for one major reason. When all of the consolidation is finished the "new delta" will still be #3 with literally no pacific presense...

Don't get so worked up about the DL pilot thing. I know you guys still like your double breasted suits and all but get over yourselves...

Andy
 
What do you mean no pacific presence? They have a 767 base in LAX and they fly to Seoul and Narita unless I'm mistaken. With the addition of Delta the 'new us airways/new delta' would hit Hawaii, Japan, Korea, as well as Lima, Santiago, Quito, and most of Central America. Looks like they have the Pacific Rim pretty much covered with the exeption of China....
 
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What do you mean no pacific presence? They have a 767 base in LAX and they fly to Seoul and Narita unless I'm mistaken. With the addition of Delta the 'new us airways/new delta' would hit Hawaii, Japan, Korea, as well as Lima, Santiago, Quito, and most of Central America. Looks like they have the Pacific Rim pretty much covered with the exeption of China....


I suppose I mean presence like NWA or UAL. They have real asian presense... With no merger proposal between doug an either one of the aforementioned airlines then I do believe the new delta would be left out in the cold. He!! I'd rather take on the NWA pilots with this merger. Their egos seem a little less inflated. Know what I mean?

Andy
 
My opinion about Oberstar?

I provided you with a link and instructions on how to get to it. Anything else? To be clear I don't want this merger but your incessant drivel about Oberstar and the DOJ are merely OPINION created and fed to you by your management team who, guess what, don't want this merger. So how is it you can objectively say that this will not go down. Just like always I'd prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Frankly I don't think it will go down for one major reason. When all of the consolidation is finished the "new delta" will still be #3 with literally no pacific presense...

Don't get so worked up about the DL pilot thing. I know you guys still like your double breasted suits and all but get over yourselves...

Andy


Here is a direct quote from Oberstar when he was asked about this takeover:

Oberstar (chairman of the transportations sub committee) said that by publicly exposing the potential dangers of airline consolidation, his committee may be able to "throw cold water" on merger mania. "We can nudge the Justice Department to take the action they must" to prevent a loss in competition, he said.
Oberstar also said opposition to consolidation is bipartisan. "I’ve heard from members on both sides of the aisle" as worries have grown about the impact on jobs and service, he said. "I haven’t heard anyone come forward and say this is a really good deal."



I didn't make that up either. I will find you a lot more about him, since you think we made it all up and our company fed it to us......


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
I suppose I mean presence like NWA or UAL. They have real asian presense... With no merger proposal between doug an either one of the aforementioned airlines then I do believe the new delta would be left out in the cold. He!! I'd rather take on the NWA pilots with this merger. Their egos seem a little less inflated. Know what I mean?

Andy

Why not merge UAL and NWA together? They both have a huge Asian presence you say? One would have to sell their routes to appease others, which would be a waste, right? Same with our DL and USAir East Coast presence, including the Shuttles which are worth a lot.. But nobody else seems to want to make that comparison. Oh well.


Bye Bye--General lee
 
Xanderman,

Here is Oberstar's actual report when he was just a commottee member during the USAir/UAL attempted merger. Now he is Chairman, and his views probably haven't changed much at all:

Oberstar, Slaughter to Release GAO Study United-US Airways Merger
Analysis shows merger would reduce competition in 290 markets and spur further airline consolidation.

WASHINGTON—The proposed merger between United Airlines and US Airways will reduce airline choices for millions of air travelers and is likely to push other carriers to consolidate in order to compete with the merged airline, a new study by the General Accounting Office shows.


Rep. James L. Oberstar (D-Minn.) and Rep. Louise M. Slaughter (D-N.Y.) are to release the GAO report, "Aviation Competition: Issues Related to the Proposed United Airlines-US Airways Merger"(GAO-01-212), today at a Capitol Hill news conference. Oberstar is the Ranking Democratic Member of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. Slaughter, represents Rochester, N.Y., a market that already has some of the highest airfares in the country. Rochester stands to be heavily affected by the merger.

“I have been deeply concerned about the anti-competitive effects of the proposed merger of United Airlines and US Airways, and the accompanying proposed transfer of slots to a new airline, DC Air,” Oberstar said. “I believe that, if the proposed merger were to be approved, the remaining large airlines would feel compelled to merge to retain their shares of the overall market. We would soon be reduced to an industry of three major competitors, resulting in a devastating loss of competition for consumers.”

“This report underscores what I have said all along–that this proposed merger would be the beginning of the end of the aviation industry as we know it,” said Congresswoman Slaughter. “If the merger goes forward, other mergers would follow. Communities would be at the mercy of three carriers, dominating the entire United States. Deregulation was never intended to facilitate the creation of de facto monopolies controlling which communities live or die depending on their access to air service.”

Among the study’s findings:

· After a merger, the New United would dominate 1,156 of the 5,000 most heavily traveled markets, affecting 61.1 million passengers. New United’s market dominance would be 36 percent larger than that of the next carrier, Delta Airlines.
· The merged airline would carry 33 percent more passengers than Delta; 89 percent more than American; and 89 percent more than Southwest, and New United would carry nearly the same number of passengers as Northwest, Continental, TWA and America West combined.
· Based on interviews with industry analysts and officials from several airlines, GAO concluded that if the merger were approved, the “new United would so alter the existing balance in the domestic market that, for the other major U.S. airlines to compete successfully, they would have little choice but to consolidate as well.”
· The merger of United and US Airways would reduce or eliminate competition for almost 16 million passengers in 290 of the most heavily traveled aviation markets. In 43 of those 290 markets, the merger would reduce the number of competitors from 2 to 1, affecting 4.1 million passengers.
· GAO compared the proposed United-US Airways merger to the proposed alliance and stock acquisition between Northwest and Continental, which DOJ found to violate anti-trust laws. GAO’s findings indicate that the loss of competition from a United-US Airways merger would be much greater than from a Northwest-Continental relationship.

“Fewer choices, higher fares and a deterioration in service is not what Congress contemplated in 1978 when it deregulated the airline industry. Yet, that is the likely result if a United-US Airways merger is approved by the Department of Justice,” Oberstar said. “I strongly urge the DOJ to take heed of the GAO’s analysis of the merger’s impact on competition and consumers, and reject this proposed merger.”




So, what do you think now? Was this fed to us by Delta management? No, it was written back during that UA/UA attempt. He is now incharge.....


And, did he say something about the DOJ REJECTING the proposed merger??? I think he did......



And that was back in 2001. What did he say just recently??? Here you go again:


Oberstar (chairman of the transportations sub committee) said that by publicly exposing the potential dangers of airline consolidation, his committee may be able to "throw cold water" on merger mania. "We can nudge the Justice Department to take the action they must" to prevent a loss in competition, he said.
Oberstar also said opposition to consolidation is bipartisan. "I’ve heard from members on both sides of the aisle" as worries have grown about the impact on jobs and service, he said. "I haven’t heard anyone come forward and say this is a really good deal."


Bye Bye--General Lee


PS--- I like my uniform, it is sharp.
 
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GL,
If in fact you are a Delta pilot then I'll take that response with a grain of salt. You of all people on this board should know that in this particular case the word "rejection" does not and did not mean the deal was over. Check ALL of the facts...
Andy

I have thought that for s long time GL is just some idiot that likes to play on this board and give the DAL pilots a bad name.
 
I have thought that for s long time GL is just some idiot that likes to play on this board and give the DAL pilots a bad name.


Thanks pea brain. You can't debate me, so instead you call me an idiot. Typical.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Thanks pea brain. You can't debate me, so instead you call me an idiot. Typical.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Why debate when you refuse to see someone else's point. You're like that little kid nobody liked. You're never wrong! No matter how wrong you may be.

By the way, see if you can use Oberstar's name in your response....
 
Why debate when you refuse to see someone else's point. You're like that little kid nobody liked. You're never wrong! No matter how wrong you may be.

By the way, see if you can use Oberstar's name in your response....

So, I go OBER the top sometimes, I am a STAR. And, I try to back up most of what I print with articles. Try to do that some time.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Fox News and age 60

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