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pdub20s

pdub20s

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What are the chances of getting into the right seat of the CJX appon getting hired?
 
I did the sim first starting on 11-27-06 on the 560E, but don't go to Indoc till Monday Jan 8th. Why wouldn't I see my # on the list or any other of the three people that were doing the sim first starting on 11-27-06 ???
 
Your official date of hire is the first day of indoc. Those dates are their dates of hire.
 
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Flyfish, that's incorrect -- per the contract, "A pilot shall be
considered as first employed on the date he first reports to any Company required training event at the direction of the Company." Sim training fits that description.

AWESOM-O, I wouldn't panic yet, as a new seniority list should be out any time now. If you're not on it by then, ask your indoc instructor who to talk to about it, because your date of hire should indeed be 11-27-06. We had several folks in my indoc who had done sim first, and they're all senior to me because their DOH was their sim start date.

I'll check for ya as soon as the new list's out, and drop you a note.
 
pdub20s said:
What are the chances of getting into the right seat of the CJX appon getting hired?
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What's a "CJX" - a CitationJet 10? I know they make a CJ1, CJ2 and CJ3 and that the CJ4 is on the drawing boards but I haven't heard of a CJ10.

Just kidding, pdub.

As for getting the Citation X, it depends on what openings are available at the time of the job offer as well as your flying background. Most of the people that I know of that got the X had quite a bit of jet time, usually in something bigger than 500-series Citations. That said, I know of about 2 or 3 guys who came from turboprop-only backgrounds who got the X but they were sort of test cases from what those guys told me.
 
CA1900 said:
Flyfish, that's incorrect -- per the contract, "A pilot shall be
considered as first employed on the date he first reports to any Company required training event at the direction of the Company." Sim training fits that description.
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Old knowledge is hard to break. I stand corrected.:smash:
 
Guitar Guy said:
What's a "CJX" - a CitationJet 10? I know they make a CJ1, CJ2 and CJ3 and that the CJ4 is on the drawing boards but I haven't heard of a CJ10.

Just kidding, pdub.

As for getting the Citation X, it depends on what openings are available at the time of the job offer as well as your flying background. Most of the people that I know of that got the X had quite a bit of jet time, usually in something bigger than 500-series Citations. That said, I know of about 2 or 3 guys who came from turboprop-only backgrounds who got the X but they were sort of test cases from what those guys told me.
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what if I were you come out of a EMJ at a regional?
 
pdub20s said:
what if I were you come out of a EMJ at a regional?
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Probably better than if you were a turboprop-only kind of guy. But that said, it really depends a lot on what's available when the offer is made (and not necessarily what they tell you is open during the interview.) I know of retired 121 guys with lots of "big jet" time who came here and got the Ultra, Encore or 400XP just because of timing.

It might be possible to try to request a different fleet when a job offer is made if they don't give you what you want. But be aware, there is a lot to consider in doing that. A later start date moves you down the seniority list. A bigger plane does not necessarily equate to a bigger paycheck for FO's: the only larger planes that we have that pay more for an FO due to size are the 2000EX/EASy and the BBJ. In fact, out of all the Cessna products, the XL/XLS pays more for FO's: an extra $225 per month for aircraft differences. And also think about upgrade. If you want to move to PIC as fast as possible, you'll likely be upgrading in the smallest jets like the Encore or 400XP for that initial upgrade. It's nice to already know the plane you are upgrading in.

My advice is to first of all, get the job offer. Then, unless you have some sort of side job lined up in an X, accept whatever plane gets you on the seniority list the quickest.
 
NJA Bound-You probably really want to edit your post to not show union or company information on a public website.
 
There is only one reason you get the plane you get.....You were needed to fill a vacancy. Just remember, it's still a Cessna. ;)
 
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If the paycheck is the same amount and clears just the same who cares. shoot, I would fly a kite if you paid me.
 
Yeah i'm aware.
 
APFPilot said:
I don't know if you are aware but the entire contract is available online without a password on the IBT site.
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What NJA bound posted isn't part of the contract, as you could probably tell.
 
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If you want to sit around in FBO's, then the 400. The 10 and XL are the busy fleets. 10 is used to cover the larger planes and the XL is used to cover the small cabins. I think that the 680 in a short amount of time will become a busy fleet. The Ultra is a dying fleet and the planes are becoming older so it will probably continue to slow down. A lot of it is just luck, some tours are worse than others no matter what fleet you are in.
 
gunfyter said:
You want to fly the 800XP...
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Not only are you right on, but your avitar is sweet too.

I wanted the 800, but was given the XL/XLS. The pay is nice and most of my tours are 12 hours of duty and 12 hours of rest with 25 hours of flight time. The big draw back is that it is a cessna and they suck. The cockpit was not designed pilot friendly and it flys like $hit. The Embry-Riddle engineering seniors could have designed a better airplane for a class project.

Based on what people have told me the X sucks too.
 
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The cockpit was not designed pilot friendly and it flys like $hit. Based on what people have told me the X sucks too.
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Coming from an A320, all of these corporate cockpits are too small and uncomfortable. I got hired into the X, and yes the cockpit is small, but you get used to it. I have heard that the Hawker is better. As far as flying the X, I think its flies fine. Since most of the flying is done with the autopilot on, I think it flies just fine. I have seen guys land it, lets just say "different than me". Some of the guys "drive it onto the runway" without straightening the nose before landing (using rudder). I like to flare and use the rudder to land with the nose pointed down the runway.

It is fast. .90 is normal cruise. .92 after you burn off some fuel.

Pax like the speed. The typical flight ( if there is such a thing) has no more than 3 pax. Very comfortable. I have had 8 pax a few times, it does get a little tight back there.....but doable.

The typical NJ week ( again, there is no such thing) can be transcons day after day, or it can be bouncing around Florida for a day or two. I find myself in SJC, LAX, MIA, DAL or ASE, EGL. Not so much FAR or FSD....although, I did go into 2 uncontolled airports last week.
 

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