Stupid question...but need an answer please

[CaptO'Brien]

So my question...

Can you log all on one flight: Airplane MEL, cross country, night, Actual (or simulated) insturment, and pilot in command?

Im trying to solve a bet with a friend...i dont want to say my thoughts on it because it will apparently skew the data. Thanks in advance.

Capt O'B

 

[TrafficInSight]

uh, yes.

 

[avbug]

You fly a Seneca II from Wabba Wabba to Toxahonka. You hold a private pilot certificate with multi engine airplane land category and class rating privileges. You make the trip at night. As sole manipulator of the controls you are entitled to log the flight as Pilot in Command. As the PIC of a multi engine aircraft, you may log it as multi engine time. You conduct the flight in instrument conditions, and log it as instrument time. It's night, and you log night. Wabba Wabba and Toxahonka are separated by 51 nautical miles, and you log cross country flight time.

Where is the controversy or arguement? Of course you can log PIC, night, instrument, and cross country on any given flight. If it's a multi engine airplane then you can log it as a multi engine airplane...obvious. If it's at night, you can log it as night. Obvious. If it's an isntrument flight, you can log it as instrument flight time. Obvious. If you're PIC and entitled to log PIC under the regulations (such as being sole manipulator of the controls in an aircraft for which you are rated) you may log PIC. Obvious. If you've met the requirements for cross country flight relevant to your intended purpose, you can log it as cross country. Also obvious.

What is the controversy?

 

[Princedietrich]

The answer is a definite yes. I used to log all of those at the same time, all night, every night.

You should bet your friend double or nothing that not only can you log all of those at once, you can add dual given on top of it too if you're so inclined.

 

[CaptO'Brien]

Thanks! HAHA i know its not exactly the smartest question...hence "stupid question". He is a student pilot and was trying to say that he couldnt log night and instrument at the same time...and i told him it made no sense..so i just had to prove it 3 for 3.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Thanks! HAHA i know its not exactly the smartest question...hence "stupid question". He is a student pilot and was trying to say that he couldnt log night and instrument at the same time...and i told him it made no sense..so i just had to prove it 3 for 3.

He sounds like prime RJ F/O material....not even rated yet and is telling everybody else with more experience how it's done!!!!

 

[Mr Wu]

I once logged night time without a night takeoff or landing, and I was the only one in the plane.

 

[Swass]

There are no stupid questions, only stupid flightinfo members.

Just Kidding

 

[Quillpig]

I once logged night time without a night takeoff or landing, and I was the only one in the plane.

Long flight, or solar eclipse?

 

[midlifeflyer]

Thanks! HAHA i know its not exactly the smartest question...hence "stupid question". He is a student pilot and was trying to say that he couldnt log night and instrument at the same time...and i told him it made no sense..so i just had to prove it 3 for 3.

Yeah, but "It's obvious. Besides some guy on the Internet said so." is hardly proof for a non-believer.

You might suggest he read 61.51, the "Universal Rule of Logging Time." He could start with 61.51(b) :

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(b) Logbook entries. For the purposes of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section, each person must enter the following information for each flight or lesson logged :

(1) General -
(i) Date.
(ii) Total flight time or lesson time.
(iii) Location where the aircraft departed and arrived, or for lessons in a flight simulator or flight training device, the location where the lesson occurred.
(iv) Type and identification of aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device, as appropriate.
(v) The name of a safety pilot, if required by § 91.109(b) of this chapter.

(2) Type of pilot experience or training -
(i) Solo.
(ii) Pilot in command.
(iii) Second in command.
(iv) Flight and ground training received from an authorized instructor.
(v) Training received in a flight simulator or flight training device from an authorized instructor.

(3) Conditions of flight -
(i) Day or night.
(ii) Actual instrument.
(iii) Simulated instrument conditions in flight, a flight simulator, or a flight training device.
==============================

So, if you take that flight that AvBug described, not only are you =allowed= to make all those entries, but, having decided to log the flight at all, you are =required= to.

 

[Mickey]

Did he go to Purdue?

 

[Princedietrich]

I once logged night time without a night takeoff or landing, and I was the only one in the plane.

Took off before sunset, and was airborne when the sun went down, and landed within an hour of sunset.

Logging night flying starts AT sunset, logging night takeoffs and landings starts ONE HOUR AFTER sunset.

 

[nosehair]

Logging night flying starts AT sunset,.

Nope. That's when you are required to have your nav lights on, but night time starts at "the end of evening civil twilight time...as published in the American Air Almanac." FAR 1.1

This time varies depending on what lattitude you are, but generally around 20 to 30 minutes after sunset.

That's FAA rules. The military does use AT sunset.