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Roadblock for US Air

By Ted Reed
TheStreet.com Staff Reporter

12/6/2006 5:20 PM EST
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Pilots at Delta Air Lines (DALRQ - commentary - Cramer's Take) have stipulations in their contract that would prevent a merger with US Airways (LCC - commentary - Cramer's Take - Rating) from taking place, the chairman of the pilots union said Wednesday.
The labor pact, which has been approved by the bankruptcy court, "is a controlling agreement in this merger, and it has several provisions that prevent [US] Airways from merging with Delta," said Lee Moak, in an interview.
The contract sets a minimum for block hours flown by Delta pilots, strictly controls the use of regional jets and gives Delta pilots a say over code-share agreements.
Last month, US Airways mounted an $8 billion hostile takeover bid for Delta. The acquisition offer came barely a year after a 2005 merger in which America West Airlines took over the former US Airways and assumed its name. Delta sought bankruptcy protection in September last year.
Moak spoke by phone from Crystal City, Va., site of the one-time headquarters of the former US Airways. That facility has since been shut down, idling several hundred workers.
"This is the definition of synergies," he said. "We will keep your name but close down your facilities, terminate, furlough and use attrition to get rid of your employees, and somehow that's best for the airline industry." He said several thousand Delta employees, including some pilots, would lose their jobs in a merger with US Airways.
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Moak said he had questioned US Airways executives about their knowledge of pilot contract provisions. "They said they were 'technicalities,' at first, and now it's 'items not anticipated,'" he said. "They really have underestimated the labor component of this merger."
US Airways spokesman Phil Gee said the airline has no plans to reduce the number of Delta pilots. "We didn't furlough one pilot, or any other represented employee, with the America West-US Airways merger, and we have stated from the get-go that we believe the same will hold true [in this case] ," he said.
Pilots are in a position to influence the outcome of the merger effort not only because of their contract but also because they are members of the Delta creditors committee and hold $2.1 billion worth of unsecured debt. That's about a one-eighth share of the total, Moak said. The creditors must approve whatever plan of reorganization is to emerge from the bankruptcy court.
The Delta pilots' contract was negotiated under difficult conditions in court, Moak said. While salaries and benefits were reduced, the pilots gained iron-clad assurances that their remaining jobs would be protected. Delta has about 6,500 pilots, down from roughly 10,000 in 2001.
One contract provision sets a floor for block hours flown by Delta pilots. Another says that if a single Delta pilot is furloughed, the airline must not operate regional jets with more than 70 seats. The provision could impact not only Delta's 76-seat regional jets but also 90-seat planes flown by US Airways.
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A third provision gives pilots a say over code-share agreements. "We will not approve any code shares with US Airways or America West," Moak said. In the US Airways and America West merger, the route systems have been combined through code shares until the airlines can secure a single operating certificate.
Separately, Doug Parker, US Airways' chairman and chief executive, said in a statement that his company remains "fully committed" to the proposal to merge with Delta.
He said that if a deal can be reached, it "will create a strong, healthy airline, able to compete long into the future in any industry scenario, benefiting our employees, customers, and the communities we serve, as well as providing Delta's creditors with the opportunity to receive far greater recoveries than what they will receive under any Delta stand-alone plan."
Parker also indicated that he wants Delta's board and creditors' committee to begin due diligence on US Airways' offer. "Only then can they be in a position to truly assess this opportunity," he said. "I am confident that they will do so. We are absolutely determined to take necessary steps to move the process forward."
Delta has said in the past that it wants to remain an independent carrier and that it's aiming to emerge from Chapter 11 in the first half of next year.
 
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Quick, we need Lowecur's opinion on this.....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Quick, we need Lowecur's opinion on this.....


Bye Bye--General Lee
Here I am to save the day! Andy Kaufman had nothing on me.

Lee has alot of opinions, but those are like you know what. One of his main points is that DALPA negotiated and received the BK judges approval for their contract. This includes the no furlough clause. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't DP state there would be no furloughs? It also says they DL pilots must approve code-shares. Lee said they would never approve a codeshare.

Listen talk is cheap and things can change as long as DL is still in BK. As far as I know, nothing is ironclad until the judge approves whoever's plan works best for DL.

:pimp:​
 
weel not so fast

Here I am to save the day! Andy Kaufman had nothing on me.

Lee has alot of opinions, but those are like you know what. One of his main points is that DALPA negotiated and received the BK judges approval for their contract. This includes the no furlough clause. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't DP state there would be no furloughs? It also says they DL pilots must approve code-shares. Lee said they would never approve a codeshare.

Listen talk is cheap and things can change as long as DL is still in BK. As far as I know, nothing is ironclad until the judge approves whoever's plan works best for DL.


:pimp:​

Ahhh! I believe we at US have in our current transition agreement a very similar clause when it comes to code sharing. Don't think for one minute that this will be dropped. We are not in bankruptcy. But that's not to say our union couls somehow be bought...

Andy
 
Here I am to save the day! Andy Kaufman had nothing on me.

Lee has alot of opinions, but those are like you know what. One of his main points is that DALPA negotiated and received the BK judges approval for their contract. This includes the no furlough clause. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't DP state there would be no furloughs? It also says they DL pilots must approve code-shares. Lee said they would never approve a codeshare.

Listen talk is cheap and things can change as long as DL is still in BK. As far as I know, nothing is ironclad until the judge approves whoever's plan works best for DL.


:pimp:​

"Items not anticipated".....get used to that saying. Talk is cheap, and Parker is eating it after that USAtoday interview, and now this....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Let's visit a litlle beauty known as 1113C and 1113E.

Moak is posturing.

Whoop-de-Doo.

You Delta Boys sure have some "purty mouths" and you are about to find out HOW "purty".

1113 provisions wipe the slate clean. Historically, the pilots do that FIRST before the "unknown horrors" of the 1113 are invoked.

La-la-la-la-la-la....


YKW
 
Let's visit a litlle beauty known as 1113C and 1113E.

Moak is posturing.

Whoop-de-Doo.

You Delta Boys sure have some "purty mouths" and you are about to find out HOW "purty".

1113 provisions wipe the slate clean. Historically, the pilots do that FIRST before the "unknown horrors" of the 1113 are invoked.

La-la-la-la-la-la....


YKW


What does this mean? Hasn't it been approved by the judge already?

"The labor pact, which has been approved by the bankruptcy court, "is a controlling agreement in this merger, and it has several provisions that prevent [US] Airways from merging with Delta," said Lee Moak, in an interview."





Bye Bye--General Lee
 
GL--So the judge approved the contract--that means nothing. DL is still in Ch. 11 and is still exposed to the 1113 provision. If the union becomes an impediment to securing the best deal for the creditors, they will hit you with the 1113 stick.

I'm not saying it will happen but you'd better be prepared because it CAN happen. Enjoy the ride... TC
 
GL--So the judge approved the contract--that means nothing. DL is still in Ch. 11 and is still exposed to the 1113 provision. If the union becomes an impediment to securing the best deal for the creditors, they will hit you with the 1113 stick.

I'm not saying it will happen but you'd better be prepared because it CAN happen. Enjoy the ride... TC

Who would hit us with the 1113? USAir? Not our own company. They don't want the merger to happen, by the way. It will be an interesting ride. But hey, Parker said in a national newspaper repeated all around the country that he would NOT fight DL management if they didn't want this merger (takeover), so I guess it is all MOOT.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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"Not our own company."

General,

How OLD are you?

12?

"Hay-Seuss Christ"...WHERE have YOU been?

They ( DELTA FRIGGIN' AIRLINES ) will hit you with the 1113c to supposedly SAVE your Company. YOU will then accept further wage cuts to avoid the "EVIL" Takeover.

JB and AirTran will make YOU look like the biggest whores in the Industry.

You might wanna' bone up on your History and Legal repertoire.

Geez. Have you been drinkin' a bit?

I HAVE...and your statement still comes across as hugely uninformed to me.


YKW
 
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That would be interesting, but Parker did say outloud that he would NOT fight it if DL management didn't want the merger. Wow, was that a great headline in all of the papers. Parker must be kicking himself for that now.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
"Not our own company."

General,

How OLD are you?

12?

"Hay-Seuss Christ"...WHERE have YOU been?


YKW

Huh? Re-read the article please. Thanks.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
GL--So the judge approved the contract--that means nothing. DL is still in Ch. 11 and is still exposed to the 1113 provision.

Actually it does. DAL assumed the contract post petition and the Judge approved it. If you knew what you were talking about you'd understand what that means, but somehow I doubt you do.
 
Actually it does. DAL assumed the contract post petition and the Judge approved it. If you knew what you were talking about you'd understand what that means, but somehow I doubt you do.

BTDT. Until they are out of Ch.11, the deal is not sealed. (Typical Delta pilot who knows everything. :rolleyes: )

The creditor's committee has a controlling interest. It doesn't matter a d@mn what "the company" wants. They have input--even the unsecured creditors have input, but the majority stake is held by the Creditor's Committee. The judge can do ANYTHING he (or she) wants (generally bending to the will of the Creditor's Committee) until the company has exited Ch.11.

I've been through 3 Ch. 11 proceedings. Nothing's over 'till it's over. TC
 
BTDT. Until they are out of Ch.11, the deal is not sealed. (Typical Delta pilot who knows everything. :rolleyes: )

The creditor's committee has a controlling interest. It doesn't matter a d@mn what "the company" wants. They have input--even the unsecured creditors have input, but the majority stake is held by the Creditor's Committee. The judge can do ANYTHING he (or she) wants (generally bending to the will of the Creditor's Committee) until the company has exited Ch.11.

I've been through 3 Ch. 11 proceedings. Nothing's over 'till it's over. TC

What you are missing are the entities on that unsecured creditor committee. Yes, they have the power, along with the Judge of course. Here are some of the members: DALPA ($2.9 billion owed--comprising of a $2.1 billion claim for the current pilots, and $800 million for retired pilots), Boeing (we have a rumored large 787 and 737-700 order awaiting when we exit BK), Pratt (we have plenty of pratt engines, and any new order might have them too), Coke (based in ATL), Fidelity (all 50,000 employees have exclusive 401Ks with them), the PBGC (we just settled with them, a $2.2 billion claim plus $225 million in cash when we exit), 2 banks (they called for a splinter group for bondholders because they could see the larger creditors were leaning towards management), and one other I believe is a lessor.

The judge has ruled every way DL has asked so far, even squashing a petition by Comair pilots to see the books to show a need for a paycut. Hopefully he will continue to see things our way, but you never know.

So, nothing is over until it is over, but so far it looks alright.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
"Not our own company."

General,

How OLD are you?

12?

"Hay-Seuss Christ"...WHERE have YOU been?

They ( DELTA FRIGGIN' AIRLINES ) will hit you with the 1113c to supposedly SAVE your Company. YOU will then accept further wage cuts to avoid the "EVIL" Takeover.

JB and AirTran will make YOU look like the biggest whores in the Industry.

YKW

A role they have played quite well for years now!
 
That would be interesting, but Parker did say outloud that he would NOT fight it if DL management didn't want the merger. Wow, was that a great headline in all of the papers. Parker must be kicking himself for that now.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I think you're the only one dumb enough to believe him.
 
BTDT. Until they are out of Ch.11, the deal is not sealed. (Typical Delta pilot who knows everything. :rolleyes: )

Really! You seem to know so much, maybe I can learn from your vast experience, tell me, which PWA's that have been assumed post petition and approved by a judge have been thrown out by a subsequent 1113c motion and what were the circumstances?

Thanks in advance.:rolleyes:
 
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I guess Chap11 doesn't seem like such a good idea anymore..........For those about to ROCK!!!.....I salute you....
 
Maybe Parker is trying to make a point that if you seek shelter in BR court in order to gain a competitive edge, it could back-fire on yahhh!!!
 
Maybe Parker is trying to make a point that if you seek shelter in BR court in order to gain a competitive edge, it could back-fire on yahhh!!!

What about if you take taxpayer money (ATSB loans) to survive then turn around and try to screw a competitor that didn't? Ethics at its finest.
 
What about if you take taxpayer money (ATSB loans) to survive then turn around and try to screw a competitor that didn't? Ethics at its finest.


Who says anything about screwing anybody?

Oh yeah the ATSB loan is being paid back with interest thank you.
 
Who says anything about screwing anybody?

Oh yeah the ATSB loan is being paid back with interest thank you.


Correction: the ATSB loan that LCC got has "already been paid back" (early), with interest!!

But, wouldn't want the 'facts' to get in the way of anyone's 'rant' on here.

Just for what's its worth.

DA
 
By Kyle Peterson and Chris Reiter
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - US Airways Group Inc. is confident its proposed merger with bankrupt Delta Air Lines Inc. will win approval from Delta's creditors and be completed despite opposition from Delta management, the president of US Airways said on Tuesday.

"Because this transaction creates value that can only be created through a merger, and because the bankruptcy process is designed to elicit value, we're going to get this done," Scott Kirby said at the Reuters Aerospace and Defense Summit in Washington.

He said US Airways' could complete a merger about six months after starting due diligence. So far, Delta has not publicly said that it would open its books to US Airways.

On Nov. 15, US Airways proposed a deal now worth $8.6 billion to acquire Delta, but met resistance from Delta management who said the company is focused on emerging from Chapter 11 as a stand-alone airline.
"Delta is making crucial progress toward becoming a strong, independent, stand-alone company based on a plan that is clearly working," said Delta Chief Executive Gerald Grinstein in a note to employees on Tuesday.
Delta will "soon" share its analysis of US Airways' offer with Delta's creditors' committee, "with whom we have a cooperative and productive relationship," said Grinstein in the memo that was sent to Reuters by the company.

US AIRWAYS SINGS PRAISES OF MERGER
US Airways, the product of a merger between the former US Airways Group and America West Airlines, has said the merger would generate $1.65 billion in annual savings.
"Talking to Delta has helped clarify some uncertain issues," Kirby said.
The $1.65 billion savings target is "quite conservative" and a merger may produce more savings, Kirby said. US Airways beat the savings target it set when it embarked on the US Airways/America West merger, he added.
"We've been through this before. In that case, we started with a similar lack of information," Kirby said. "We feel like we will beat (the target) ... We feel very confident."

Kirby declined to discuss the nature of US Airways' talks with Delta or the creditor committee, saying only that he was optimistic about the prospects for a merger.

US Airways' goal is to have its proposal fairly evaluated and to win Delta's approval to conduct due diligence, a condition of the offer, he said.
"We're talking to all parties -- anyone who wants to talk to us," Kirby said.


POTENTIAL FOR MORE CONSOLIDATION
Some experts believe a merger between US Airways and Delta would trigger more industry consolidation and attract other suitors for Delta.
One likely candidate is UAL Corp.'s United Airlines, which has made it clear that it would like to be a part of industry consolidation. United has contacted Delta in the past about a possible merger.

"I actually think a (Delta) merger with United is worth more than a merger with US Airways," said Roger King, a senior airlines analyst at CreditSights, at the Reuters Summit.

"If they're not ready to do something, they'll never be ready to do something," he said.

Bill Warlick, an analyst at Fitch Ratings, agreed and noted that there may be pressure on other major airlines to make bids for rivals sooner rather than later.

"I think there's a first-mover advantage here," Warlick told the Reuters Summit. He said potential antitrust concerns may come more sharply into focus for government regulators in the wake of a US Airways-Delta merger.
"I have to think the bar will be raised considerably if this merger is approved," he said. "I think there's a lot of pressure to move swiftly."

Shares of US Airways traded down 60 cents, or 1 percent, at $57.57 a share on the New York Stock Exchange. Delta shares were unchanged at $1.26.
 
By Kyle Peterson and Chris Reiter
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - US Airways Group Inc. is confident its proposed merger with bankrupt Delta Air Lines Inc. will win approval from Delta's creditors and be completed despite opposition from Delta management, the president of US Airways said on Tuesday.

"Because this transaction creates value that can only be created through a merger, and because the bankruptcy process is designed to elicit value, we're going to get this done," Scott Kirby said at the Reuters Aerospace and Defense Summit in Washington.

He said US Airways' could complete a merger about six months after starting due diligence. So far, Delta has not publicly said that it would open its books to US Airways.

On Nov. 15, US Airways proposed a deal now worth $8.6 billion to acquire Delta, but met resistance from Delta management who said the company is focused on emerging from Chapter 11 as a stand-alone airline.
"Delta is making crucial progress toward becoming a strong, independent, stand-alone company based on a plan that is clearly working," said Delta Chief Executive Gerald Grinstein in a note to employees on Tuesday.
Delta will "soon" share its analysis of US Airways' offer with Delta's creditors' committee, "with whom we have a cooperative and productive relationship," said Grinstein in the memo that was sent to Reuters by the company.

US AIRWAYS SINGS PRAISES OF MERGER
US Airways, the product of a merger between the former US Airways Group and America West Airlines, has said the merger would generate $1.65 billion in annual savings.
"Talking to Delta has helped clarify some uncertain issues," Kirby said.
The $1.65 billion savings target is "quite conservative" and a merger may produce more savings, Kirby said. US Airways beat the savings target it set when it embarked on the US Airways/America West merger, he added.
"We've been through this before. In that case, we started with a similar lack of information," Kirby said. "We feel like we will beat (the target) ... We feel very confident."

Kirby declined to discuss the nature of US Airways' talks with Delta or the creditor committee, saying only that he was optimistic about the prospects for a merger.

US Airways' goal is to have its proposal fairly evaluated and to win Delta's approval to conduct due diligence, a condition of the offer, he said.
"We're talking to all parties -- anyone who wants to talk to us," Kirby said.


POTENTIAL FOR MORE CONSOLIDATION
Some experts believe a merger between US Airways and Delta would trigger more industry consolidation and attract other suitors for Delta.
One likely candidate is UAL Corp.'s United Airlines, which has made it clear that it would like to be a part of industry consolidation. United has contacted Delta in the past about a possible merger.

"I actually think a (Delta) merger with United is worth more than a merger with US Airways," said Roger King, a senior airlines analyst at CreditSights, at the Reuters Summit.

"If they're not ready to do something, they'll never be ready to do something," he said.

Bill Warlick, an analyst at Fitch Ratings, agreed and noted that there may be pressure on other major airlines to make bids for rivals sooner rather than later.

"I think there's a first-mover advantage here," Warlick told the Reuters Summit. He said potential antitrust concerns may come more sharply into focus for government regulators in the wake of a US Airways-Delta merger.
"I have to think the bar will be raised considerably if this merger is approved," he said. "I think there's a lot of pressure to move swiftly."

Shares of US Airways traded down 60 cents, or 1 percent, at $57.57 a share on the New York Stock Exchange. Delta shares were unchanged at $1.26.

Too bad Parker made that public statement about not fighting for Delta if Delta management doesn't want the takeover. Wow, that was dumb.

Oberstar also knows this about a landslide of mergers, and he is NOT for it. He does NOT want lack of choice for consumers, and he continually repeats that. Southwest and JB would NOT be able to fill in all of the gaps, especially to smaller cities now served by RJs that would lose half of their service (due to both USair and Delta going there right now). One of the routes would obvioulsy drop, cutting choice and service. That is what Oberstar and the DOJ dislike.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Correction: the ATSB loan that LCC got has "already been paid back" (early), with interest!!

But, wouldn't want the 'facts' to get in the way of anyone's 'rant' on here.

Just for what's its worth.

DA


Not according to their own March 2006 10k filing. Will not be paid off until 2010! Just the facts.
 
Maybe Parker is trying to make a point that if you seek shelter in BR court in order to gain a competitive edge, it could back-fire on yahhh!!!


They should know this from personal experience. How many times have they entered Chapter 11?
 
Too bad Parker made that public statement about not fighting for Delta if Delta management doesn't want the takeover. Wow, that was dumb.

Oberstar also knows this about a landslide of mergers, and he is NOT for it. He does NOT want lack of choice for consumers, and he continually repeats that. Southwest and JB would NOT be able to fill in all of the gaps, especially to smaller cities now served by RJs that would lose half of their service (due to both USair and Delta going there right now). One of the routes would obvioulsy drop, cutting choice and service. That is what Oberstar and the DOJ dislike.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Who is saying SWA and JB would do it all? How about a stand alone Comair? Trust me, some one will step up to the plate. Airtan maybe?
 

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