Delta training

[gearjockey]

Question for Delta pilots:

I know a guy who was furloughed after 911 and accepted the short recall to be trained in the MD. He was held back from sim completion and given additional training due to poor performance. He passed simulator then attempted IOE and was routed back to simulator and subsequently failed sim ride. Standards then gave him option of going to 737 (easier, in their estimation) or repeating entire MD class. Is this typical? How many attempts would someone receive? BTW, he chose to return to MD this week.

 

[General Lee]

Question for Delta pilots:

I know a guy who was furloughed after 911 and accepted the short recall to be trained in the MD. He was held back from sim completion and given additional training due to poor performance. He passed simulator then attempted IOE and was routed back to simulator and subsequently failed sim ride. Standards then gave him option of going to 737 (easier, in their estimation) or repeating entire MD class. Is this typical? How many attempts would someone receive? BTW, he chose to return to MD this week.

I think they are trying to be nice and work with him, since he was furloughed. They won't release him until he is safe, though. Maybe he flew the 737-200 before he got furloughed, so they thought the 738 might be easier for him.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[instructordude]

Thst is nice General. It's good to help out others.

 

[michael707767]

Question for Delta pilots:

I know a guy who was furloughed after 911 and accepted the short recall to be trained in the MD. He was held back from sim completion and given additional training due to poor performance. He passed simulator then attempted IOE and was routed back to simulator and subsequently failed sim ride. Standards then gave him option of going to 737 (easier, in their estimation) or repeating entire MD class. Is this typical? How many attempts would someone receive? BTW, he chose to return to MD this week.

I don't know how many attempts you would get, but I agree with GL. He probably flew the 737 prior to furlough so going to the 800 would be easier. I fly the 88, but I will say it's mode control panel is nowhere near as easy to use as the Boeing set up. You can learn to use it effectively and it will do what you want it to do, but it's not as intuitive as the Boeings. IMHO the pilots who have the most trouble with the 88 are those who flew a 737 or 75/76 prior to that, and they can't let go of the way they think the 88 should work, instead of accepting the way it does work. But he'll get it.

 

[WSurf]

I don't know how many attempts you would get, but I agree with GL. He probably flew the 737 prior to furlough so going to the 800 would be easier. I fly the 88, but I will say it's mode control panel is nowhere near as easy to use as the Boeing set up. You can learn to use it effectively and it will do what you want it to do, but it's not as intuitive as the Boeings. IMHO the pilots who have the most trouble with the 88 are those who flew a 737 or 75/76 prior to that, and they can't let go of the way they think the 88 should work, instead of accepting the way it does work. But he'll get it.

Yep, its hard to push buttons!!!!! Sorry, I meant its hard to know which buttons too press!!

 

[MCDU]

Maybe this line of work is not cut out for him. Some guys spend years on the panel and have no problem gdtting checked out. Its like learning to ride your bike.

Marty

 

[737 Pylt]

Maybe this line of work is not cut out for him. Some guys spend years on the panel and have no problem gdtting checked out. Its like learning to ride your bike.

Marty

Marty:
There were guys at TWA who spent 18 years on the panel! I couldn't imagine that. Its like you said, some people pick it right up, others need more time.

737

 

[gearjockey]

Forgot to mention, he was on the panel ante-furlough, had trouble there also. Scheduled for some kind of Fed ride at six months probation but got the four year unpaid vacation instead (did this, in some cruel way, save him)? Thanks for the responses.

 

[Pat Fabin]

Well, he's still on probation then. I'm sure they'll extend him some courtesy, understanding his lack of currency (did he fly on furlough at all?). BUT, in the end, if he's way outside the curve they're aren't going to pass him.

I can't see them giving him 737 training, however, because the MD88 is just TOO HARD? Unless he's senior in his class, he's not going to get placed into better paying equipment for a reason like that...c'mon....

 

[General Lee]

Well, he's still on probation then. I'm sure they'll extend him some courtesy, understanding his lack of currency (did he fly on furlough at all?). BUT, in the end, if he's way outside the curve they're aren't going to pass him.

I can't see them giving him 737 training, however, because the MD88 is just TOO HARD? Unless he's senior in his class, he's not going to get placed into better paying equipment for a reason like that...c'mon....

Wait, I thought he got credit for time away, meaning he is now a 5 or 6 year MD88 FO? United furloughs came back to the same year pay etc, but the DL furloughs came back with credit, I thought. Would he be on probation?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[michael707767]

Wait, I thought he got credit for time away, meaning he is now a 5 or 6 year MD88 FO? United furloughs came back to the same year pay etc, but the DL furloughs came back with credit, I thought. Would he be on probation?

yes, he would come back on probation. I have had to fill out new hire assesments on guys who were here less than a year before they were furloughed. For pay he gets credit for his time from the hire date. But still on probation as far as Delta is concerned.

 

[Archie Bunker]

I fly the 88, but I will say it's mode control panel is nowhere near as easy to use as the Boeing set up. You can learn to use it effectively and it will do what you want it to do, but it's not as intuitive as the Boeings. IMHO the pilots who have the most trouble with the 88 are those who flew a 737 or 75/76 prior to that, and they can't let go of the way they think the 88 should work, instead of accepting the way it does work. But he'll get it.

You got that right.

When I went to 88 school, I had just returned from furlough, and was partnered up with a new Capt coming off the 75/767 (as a FO). He had the hardest time adjusting to the 88's Flight Guidance Control Panel (FGCP), and would utter some choice profanities at it on a daily basis. I loved watching him execute an IAS descent at 250 knots, and forgetting to reset the airspeed control knob (leaving it at 300 knots), and then when the Maddog leveled off, the throttles would burst forward trying to capture 300 knots again. "What the He!! is it doing now?" Funny as all get out!

 

[Pat Fabin]

General,

Another thing on recalls, only Delta pilots come back with longevity for pay, vacation, and (used to be retirement) purposes. No other airline had that except for UAL, but they lost that in the many concessions...they come back at whatever pay the left at...which at this point is first year pay. Hence the rapid bypass rate over there too.

The only thing that gets a Delta pilot off probation quicker than a year on property is 400hrs flight time as FO or FE.