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upgrade and reserve (tsa, pinnacle, expjet, republic)
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great cornholio
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TSA: There were a few F/Os here in RIC that had been on resever well over a year. Now with all of the furloughs and resignations who knows how long reserve will be. The Dec bid pack had ZERO reserve lines for RIC...have a feeling the "junior" word is gonna be used a lot as a way to say "happy holidays".
Upgrade is a whole other story. It was about a year and half to upgrade on the 41. Now with the downgrades the most junior capt has been here 4 or 5 years. If you total time really is 350 then you shouldnt care about upgrade time anyways because you will need 3000 more hours before you have the time to upgrade at TSA and that will take over 3 years to get anyways.
If your total time is close to the mins of any other reagional and not living in STL or RIC is a deal breaker then I wouldnt even waste your time with TSA. Go somewhere where you can get treated a little better. Do a search and you can see what TSA is all about.
If I were you I'd run away from TSA as fast as I could. There is a reason why we are losing pilots everyday.
Upgrade is a whole other story. It was about a year and half to upgrade on the 41. Now with the downgrades the most junior capt has been here 4 or 5 years. If you total time really is 350 then you shouldnt care about upgrade time anyways because you will need 3000 more hours before you have the time to upgrade at TSA and that will take over 3 years to get anyways.
If your total time is close to the mins of any other reagional and not living in STL or RIC is a deal breaker then I wouldnt even waste your time with TSA. Go somewhere where you can get treated a little better. Do a search and you can see what TSA is all about.
If I were you I'd run away from TSA as fast as I could. There is a reason why we are losing pilots everyday.
Well XJT is not in the same league as any of those other companies you listed, but right now reserve in IAH and EWR is running around 4-5 months while CLE is running around 4-5 years, some guys in CLE are upgrading while still on reserve as an FO only to go back to reserve CA. Junior captain is going at 24 months and has been staying like that for about 6 months and should stay like that for around 3 or 4 more years.
reserve time at republic is generally a couple of months, but varies with which aircraft you're hired into--could be more, could be less...as far as upgrade goes, it's around two years give or take for people hired 2 years ago...for a newhire, follow this formula...take the number of pilots on the seniority list and add 1 (the 1 being you)...double that number...when the number of pilots on the list approaches that number you're getting close to upgrade...and remember, the more pilots on the list, the more it takes for that number to double...upgrade time is a function of growth and attrition, not time...go where you think you'll be happy...
Secret Squirrel
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Express jet Just had a Bid come out. The Jr Captain award was a 11/15/04 hire (They will go to training early next year). FO's have been on reserve for about three months before holding a line in Houston.
Things could change a lot though. We are loosing a lot of flying next year and our company has not informed us of what we will be doing with 50ish airplanes. So starting next year you can also go to CHQ and have the privilege of flying for CAL.
Things could change a lot though. We are loosing a lot of flying next year and our company has not informed us of what we will be doing with 50ish airplanes. So starting next year you can also go to CHQ and have the privilege of flying for CAL.
G2T
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You mean like being a regional airline flying regional jets for legacy carriers? Get off your horse.
siucavflight
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How do you figure that? They are all regionals, they all fly regional jets, they all treat you like crap.
Secret Squirrel
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It is too bad you think that. I am actually very happy with XJT and feel they treat us fairly well. I enjoy better than average work rules and pay. I enjoy good benefits and the best retirement in our part of the industry. The problem is not XJT pilots being overly happy with their company, it is others not giving a crap that their company treats them bad because it is just a stepping stone. Do something about it.
TNPILOT
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Although your information is correct from what I can tell. Assuming I did not misunderstand your statement about not "being in the same league" as other companies, iis a bit rediculous and a bit embarassing to the majority of XJT pilots who are pretty humble. Be thankful rather than a jackass. Unfortunately a few of the posters here don't represent the XJT pilots well.
New bid today. Junior CA is EWR SRJ hired 11/15/04. All new upgrades on this bid will be trained in Jan. and Feb.
siucavflight
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How is this
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/expressjet.html
any better than
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/skywest.html
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/regional/horizon_air.html
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/american_eagle.html
8HourPilot
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The part about a CLE FO going from reserve to CA in another base is a bit of a stretch. CLE is stagnant and the lines are decreasing, but it is not that bad, yet.
XJT upgrade is at two years RIGHT NOW. Our attrition rate is very high with Continental and Southwest hiring. That alone will keep new hires coming in and upgrades at two years. Continental once again increased our block hours for the new year while reducing the airplanes in our fleet. Go figure.
Increased block hours = more pilots. 
bertengineer
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For starters...Pinnacle requires at least 3500 total (3000 if 500 is in company) and 2000 multi to upgrde, plus 1000 turbine. If your times are right as you have posted, then you would sit in the right seat for at least 2 years, if you could fly 1000 a year, which you will not. You may get 900 or so! Reserve is anywhere up to 6 months, depending where you get based ( MSP, MEM, DTW[more than likely]).
Booker
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I would agree with your first two assertions, but not your last, unless you've worked for every regional airline. I've only worked for the three airlines, but none of them were Waterski, Flagship, or Brickyard, so I can't comment on this thread. All I can say is I have been quite happy at XJT, and I am treated phenomenally better than I was at my last job, certainly not "like crap."
I gotta quit looking at stuff like this. I just puked a little in my mouth... AGAIN!
CrownandCoke
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if you sit reserve in DTW, you will work. If you sit reserve in MEM or MSP, you'll forget how to do stuff, your captains will get angry and you'll be fired.
But seriously, as of right now, you're looking at a 2-2 1/2 year upgrade here. Not bad, compared to some out there (Eagle)
Auburn_CFI
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I work at XJT also. Please do not let this post offend you if you work for another company. This guy has been been working here less than 3 months. I am very happy at XJT and I do believe we have a great contract that provides decent wages and excellent work rules, however XJT is certainly in the same league. This is probably what he meant although he didn't relay his message very clearly. He is correct on reserve times except CLE is not 4 or 5 years, maybe closer to 1 year (edit: Just looked up CLE, junior line holder FO has 9 months). As far as upgrade goes, don't go chasing an upgrade many things can change very quickly. Ours is certainly not guarenteed to stay the same for the next 3 to 4 years. Right now it is around 2 years but this will change if we do not find any additional flying or the rate of attrition changes. Could get even better, could get worse. Go to the company where you fit and you can be happy as an FO. Don't be miserable as an FO because you want to upgrade quickly and then find out something happens and you will be an FO longer than you planned. A little research outside of this forum is your best bet. Good luck.
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bertengineer
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No offense..but Capt at Colgan makes what...28.00 Tops? I'm not bashing..I am asking because I have looked into it to try and get AOO or JST. That is what keeps me back. Where I am at now, I make 24 2nd year..and Capt will be over 50 an hour. THe big difference between an RJ and a 1900 or 340.
wmudriver
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WOW...24 bucks your 2nd year.
You must work for PNCL...I was making 24.01 my first year at XJ, flying a 340....then I got furloughed.
You must work for PNCL...I was making 24.01 my first year at XJ, flying a 340....then I got furloughed.
bertengineer
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That is why I said I am not bashing. It sucks...and I know tht elsewhere it pays more, but I get 12-14 days off, I am with my family in base, and besides it is my second career. 20 years military and this is a vacation that I get paid for, and have to work 1/2 a month!
Unlike my younger counterparts, I do not use the company medical or dental plan.
Now if you are going to say "WOW 24.00" then say that you got furloughed...where does it even out? Sorry about XJT and I hope big things happen with the new TA!
Unlike my younger counterparts, I do not use the company medical or dental plan.
Now if you are going to say "WOW 24.00" then say that you got furloughed...where does it even out? Sorry about XJT and I hope big things happen with the new TA!
Past performance does not mean future quick upgrades.
Write that down, and then remember that "regional" pilots deserve fair contracts. That way, when you don't upgrade as fast as the people on flight info tell you you will at Brand X, you can still afford a reasonable standard of living befitting a PROFESSIONAL PILOT.
Turbo
Write that down, and then remember that "regional" pilots deserve fair contracts. That way, when you don't upgrade as fast as the people on flight info tell you you will at Brand X, you can still afford a reasonable standard of living befitting a PROFESSIONAL PILOT.
Turbo
at some point you may realize ALL AIRLINES these days, from FDX to Great Lakes, are in the same "league".
suupah
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capt at colgan makes 42 i think first year. But dude, with the FO pay schedule rising a whopping 2 bucks an hour with very little opportunity for making extra money you are goiing to regret your decision. there is also no COLA so in reality you are taking a paycut every year.
here are some examples. we have zero schedule protection. you can bid a line or "hard line" and when it is awarded days have been changed, days taken away and even days off changed. There have been months where guys have lost 15 hours of overguarantee time with ZERO recourse for the pilot. Other things are that they run almost no reserve so that they can keep as many people underguarantee as possible. then they give you heck when you get sick because of their lack of coverage.
one more example, they do not credit your holiday pay over your guarantee. So they try to construct the lines so that the ones working holidays are underblock to the point that you don't even really get anything extra for working the holiday.
livin the dream.
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5ontheglide
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How they ALL work.
How do you get your base? Initially - Force-fed.
If you are willing to move? They don't care.
Do you get more choices? Ummmm no!
Is it just random? Ummmm yes - unless they can intentionaly send you to the last place you want to go.
How do you get your base? Initially - Force-fed.
If you are willing to move? They don't care.
Do you get more choices? Ummmm no!
Is it just random? Ummmm yes - unless they can intentionaly send you to the last place you want to go.
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