Delta Decesion?

[dal757]

When is Delta supposed to announce their decision from the RFP?

 

[jjlaw1]

They will delay their decision until Comair is forced into some kind pay cut. Stay strong Comair. I'm pulling for ya!

 

[wmuflyguy]

When they feel like it.

 

[www.]

When is Delta supposed to announce their decision from the RFP?

Week of the 13th.

 

[737 Pylt]

They will delay their decision until Comair is forced into some kind pay cut. Stay strong Comair. I'm pulling for ya!

I wouldn't count on it.

737

 

[Tomct]

You would hope that they would "remember" what the ASA pilot group did for the furloughee's and give it where it rightfully belongs...ASA! Of course that would make sense and we know that NOTHING in the airline business makes sense!

 

[flyboyzz1]

Sorry to sound stupid but is Comair's flying with Delta at stake?

 

[crjdxr]

Sorry to sound stupid but is Comair's flying with Delta at stake?

Not all of it, but some of Comair's aircraft are probably at risk. IIRC, the DAL RFP was put out for the following aircraft:

25 70-seat turboprops (new a/c)
50 50-seat RJ's (existing a/c - possibly a good chunk from OH)
43 70-seat RJ's (existing [and maybe new?] a/c - again, a good chunk from OH)
50 76-seat RJ's (new a/c)

I don't think the RFP said from which carrier the 50 and 70 seat a/c were going to be taken, but every indication I've seen has the 50 and 70 seat a/c coming from Comair's fleet.

There are a lot of threads on FI regarding this, take a cruise through 'em for more info.

 

[V-1]

An RFP doesn't commit Delta to making any decision or changes. It's just like if you call ten different plumbers to get price quotes to fix a broken toilet, then decide to do the work yourself.

It didn't cost you much of anything to see how low professionals would bid for the work.

Meanwhile all the plumbers call each other "whores" on whatever web boards they post on.

 

[zawillif]

According an issue of AW&ST, the bid award will be announced Mid to Late November.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

An RFP doesn't commit Delta to making any decision or changes. It's just like if you call ten different plumbers to get price quotes to fix a broken toilet, then decide to do the work yourself.

It didn't cost you much of anything to see how low professionals would bid for the work.

Meanwhile all the plumbers call each other "whores" on whatever web boards they post on.

HA! Thanks for my first laugh of the day! Well, my second laugh actually. My first was when I saw the picture of the ASA tail on the front page of the AJC.

 

[flyboyzz1]

So does it look like comair will continue to have to hire a ton even though they may lose airplanes?

 

[michael707767]

You would hope that they would "remember" what the ASA pilot group did for the furloughee's and give it where it rightfully belongs...ASA!

Management doesn't give a crap, but don't worry. The pilots remember who stood by our furloughees and who did not.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Management doesn't give a crap, but don't worry. The pilots remember who stood by our furloughees and who did not.

Did the DAL MEC picket with ASA in SGU during the BOD?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Did the DAL MEC picket with ASA in SGU during the BOD?

Did you, Mr. Secretary/Treasurer?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Did you, Mr. Secretary/Treasurer?

No I didn't. Now, did the DAL MEC picket? How is "brand scope" working? Is the ASA MEC being supported by the DAL MEC after our support for their furloughed pilots?

 

[FDJ2]

Originally Posted by Stifler's Mom
Did you, Mr. Secretary/Treasurer?

No I didn't.

Than STFU.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Originally Posted by Stifler's Mom
Did you, Mr. Secretary/Treasurer?



Than STFU.

Why? Because you don't like it? Because the DAL MEC doesn't want people to know how they didn't show up to support the ASA MEC? You see I am sceptical of this "brand scope" and this new spirit of cooperation. I would think that the least the DAL MEC could do is show up with the other ALPA pilots at the SGU picket.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

so is joe merchant an a$$hole or something? Why the hostility?

 

[JoeMerchant]

so is joe merchant an a$$hole or something? Why the hostility?

The Emperor doesn't like it when you tell him he has no cloths.....

I'm not an a$$hole, I just don't like hypocrisy.....

 

[Richard Gozinya]

I just don't like hypocrisy.....

Then clear up all those questions and accusations that are dropped directly at your feet. Not to mention those at the rest of the Jackson 5.

Answer all them directly and concisely so we all know where the people that are wanting to direct the pilot group to Mt. Sinai stand on the past and the future. When are all these little tiny issues going to be directly addressed? There are alot of people who know hypocrisy when they see it! Answer those questions that were brought up on the alpa board. Why are so many people saying to not trust some of those running for office? When do we get your side of the story?

Dick

 

[JoeMerchant]

Then clear up all those questions and accusations that are dropped directly at your feet. Not to mention those at the rest of the Jackson 5.

Answer all them directly and concisely so we all know where the people that are wanting to direct the pilot group to Mt. Sinai stand on the past and the future. When are all these little tiny issues going to be directly addressed? There are alot of people who know hypocrisy when they see it! Answer those questions that were brought up on the alpa board. Why are so many people saying to not trust some of those running for office? When do we get your side of the story?

Dick

If you want to ask a direct question, then I will answer it. I will not engage RJMan, Bizjet, and Speedtape in their slanderous attacks. Go ahead and ask specific questions. They and others are lieing about the past so as to make us look bad. Go ahead and ask specific questions and I will give a specific answer, but I am not going to fan the flames of the witch hunt. If anyone wants to hear the "other side of the story", PM with a phone number and I will personally call you. If you want to anonymously toss false information grenades, expect to be ignored.

Now does anyone want to clear up why the DAL MEC wasn't at the ASA picketing?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Joe because the DAL MEC does not like hypocracy either - especially their own. After all, their destruction of our attempt at scope language to protect the flying they put out to bid is why we were there picketing to begin with. I was not out there either (although I should have been).... so I'm not inclined to throw stones at them for not picketing.

If you don't mind answering questions in a public forum, there are a couple of questions that I would appreciate some information on:

But I'm curious as to the opposition party's scope plan. Is it onelist, or something that provides equal protection? How about scope to secure growth? Can you publish the intended opener?

My other questions have to do with representation after the election. I know the platform is about the contract, but do they have an interest in the day to day grind after the contract?

Do the FO Reps have prior experience?

Thanks,
~~~^~~~

 

[Bizjet]

The Emperor doesn't like it when you tell him he has no cloths.....

I'm not an a$$hole, I just don't like hypocrisy.....

You didn't picket so who the hell are you to attack another pilot group when you won't even picket against your own carrier! Tell me Mr. Hypocrite why did you run for the LEC 112 Sec./Treas. postion and then refuse to serve. Can you make up an answer that will not continue to make you a hypocrite? Do you not like yourself or it just others hypocrisy that you find offensive. Who do you consider the hypocrite when you knowingly date a married woman and lie when asked if the two of you are intimate? You? Her? Both? Were you just ashamed to tell the truth because it would prove you have no morals.

Joey, no one needs to lie about you because telling the truth will set them free and bury YOU!

 

[FDJ2]

Why? Because you don't like it?

No, because if you aren't willing to show up at your own events, how can feign indignation if pilots from another MEC don't show up. You are truly amazing.

Was the DAL MEC even invited to the event or informed of it. You're Secretary Treasurer, do you know? What have you, Joe Merchant, done recently to foster brand cooperation with the DAL MEC? I'm sure the DAL MEC would love for you to come by for a visit. When was the last time you visited?

 

[737 Pylt]

The Emperor doesn't like it when you tell him he has no cloths.....

Wow, that's a great comeback. BTW, as an ASA pilot, not to mention union officer johnny boy, you should have been there. What happened, the rjdc girls club have a get together? But then again its alot easier to jump on the computer and blame the rest of the world for all your problems!

I'm not an a$$hole, I just don't like hypocrisy.....

Yes you are, one of the biggest! Not to mention a hypocrite!
BTW as an asa pilot, maybe you should worry about some scope protection for yourself since SKYW inc. seems to be shifting all of your flying, instead of blaming the DL MEC for all your life's misery! Maybe you can go to the next lec meeting for ASA and get mad like a spoiled little child and steal some more minutes from the meeting!

737

 

[737 Pylt]

Now does anyone want to clear up why the DAL MEC wasn't at the ASA picketing?

Can anyone clear up why John wasn't at the ASA picketing. After all, he's an officer of the ASA MEC! Lead by example, eh Johnny boy?

737

 

[Speedtape]

Can anyone clear up why John wasn't at the ASA picketing. After all, he's an officer of the ASA MEC! Lead by example, eh Johnny boy?

737

There are more questions to be answered! Has Joey or his friend participated in any of the picketing or Family Awareness events in the last 4 years? There have been empty chairs!

Have either one of them attended any LEC meeting in the past 2 years other than attempting to get nominated for a position? There have been empty chairs!

I would rather support those who have played on the field rather than those bottom feeders who have carped on the sidelines! The Fab4 do not represent the best interests of the ASA pilot group! Joey was not hired to be on the negotiation team--that's his real beef! He has a vested interest in the FAB 4 and their agenda--He wrote it and continues to write it! His words jump right off the page! He wants in the back door so he can abdicate and intall his agenda!

He hates hypocrisy when it fits his argument of his interpretation of "good scope versus bad scope!" He attacks the Scope of mainline carriers that has been in existence for years, even before his employment and for that matter even before ASA! Actually, the modification of Mainline Scope, allowed the opportunity for ASA pilots to have a job feeding Delta. Now he wants to promote his "good scope" to protect his lousy job!

Joey, the good jobs are not on the North end of Concourse C or Concourse D!
Most of us are here to move on! Delta will be hiring soon, maybe you should spend your energy wiser and consider applying so you can get one of those good jobs! I am sure our ALPA brothers there would welcome you with open arms!

 

[dal757]

I take it by the above posts that no one knows the answer to my original question....

 

[Speedtape]

I take it by the above posts that no one knows the answer to my original question....

dal757,

Originally, it was published that the decision would be made mid November! This was to accomodate the November 1 extension given only to Comair due to the accident.

By now, all bids are in. Additionally, recently, Comair pilots are being squeezed into that Sec 1113 part of Bankruptcy--negotiate a mutual deal or the company is free to impose their own pay rates and benefits.

It would be speculation, that Comair MGMT (directed by the Parent) will use the submitted bids for the RFP by the other carriers as some basis to justify to the Comair Pilots, but more importantly the courts, that these are the new "competitive rates", based on real market values, for which this flying should be flown! Just as in Real Estate appraising, a fair market value will be established. Whether it's the average or the lowest, it will bolster MGMT's argument that it is in the best interest the company's survival and of the creditors to reset the pay and benefits to a lower level to remain competitive. That argument will have merit and will place the Comair pilots in the take it or leave it mode!

To answer your question, originally, the announcement would have been mid November. Now, on speculation, the announcement will be delayed until the Comair pilot concessionary agreement has been resolved with a short timetable, or if not successful with a short timetable, the Courts give the Company the ability to reset the rates and benefits.

A MGMT official told some employees that ASA did not bid on the flying because our rates were not competitive. My guess would be that considering the argument above, ASA bids were not allowed because the ASA rates would have brought the average up in the pre-designed sampling to determine an average rate. The ASA rates would not fit Comair MGMT's needs. Remember, you can prove anything with statistics!

Most likely, Comair will retain the flying at the newly established market rates, voluntarily if accepted by the pilots, or imposed by the Company with the relief from the courts. The RFP process was nothing more than a market appraisal method to help justify and reset (force) the rates!

No definite date has been established but the flying will be awarded to Comair after this drill! This will better benefit the Parent, who has a sizeable investment in Comair, and the Creditors! It is a form of involuntary arbitration without arbitration! Market values will be imposed as the standard through the bankruptcy process!