Airline Apps. again!!!

[pdub20s]

im once again totaling up my hours..and I noticed that when it comes to experience in aircraft.. It adds your Dual and PIc...for example they added my dual and pic for the seminole.(it came up with 178TT and i actualy only have 130hrs TT in the seminole)...this happen for you guys also?

 

[JessMan]

Had the same problem, so I guess I'd rather tally the "dual and PIC as per part 61" as PIC, otherwise I'm losing out on about 175 hours of PIC! Has anyone had an experience with an airline that looks down on the simultaneous logging of PIC and Dual?

 

[AWACoff]

Is that dual recieved or dual given? They want you to put your instructor hours and regular PIC hours separate. They add them together at the end for Total PIC.

 

[pdub20s]

Is that dual recieved or dual given? They want you to put your instructor hours and regular PIC hours separate. They add them together at the end for Total PIC.

dual Rec..

 

[JessMan]

Is that dual recieved or dual given? They want you to put your instructor hours and regular PIC hours separate. They add them together at the end for Total PIC.

Dual received. Yeah, the dual given and pic are seperate and that works, but what about the time when you're rated in the aircraft and able to log PIC with an instructor?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Most places only want you to count time where you were the actual pilot in command as PIC. IOW, simultaneous PIC and Dual rec. should not be logged as PIC on the time matrix.

 

[pdub20s]

so i should put the time i wasnt recieving dual in "pic"..and time i was rec. dual in the "dual" section

 

[Swaayze]

Exactly. Airlines do not count, as PIC time, that time logged only under Part 61 PIC (sole manipulator) they want ACTING PIC (Part 1) time.

 

[XJohXJ]

All right, I've been out of the loop. So, then, is dual given time counted as part 1 PIC, if the student is also PIC (part 61)(instrument rating, etc). I would think yes, as if anything would happen, the FAA is coming after the CFII.

In other words, who gets to claim the part 1 PIC, the instructor or the student (even if appropriately rated)?

 

[AWACoff]

My understanding is the instructor on board gets to use dual given as PIC but it is added in at the end for total PIC. Dual recieved is simply "Dual" even if you were appropriately rated, etc. for the aircraft. They want PIC to be the time when you were ultimately responsible. I lost a bit of PIC as well when I added my times up. Thems the breaks I guess.

 

[pdub20s]

yea i updated it.. dual under dule..and pic under pic..and my log book agrees w/ airlineapps now

 

[XJohXJ]

Here's my whine for the night:

Man what a flippin pain in the @rse!

Good night.

 

[BLing]

This confused me to when I was applying for jobs a while back. Go to the my flight time page and then click on the Instructions tab on the top right corner.

Page Instructions
My Flight Time:Please enter ALL flying time on this page. Definitions: PIC = Pilot in Command
Instructor = Instructor
SIC = Second in Command
Dual/Stud = Student
FE/Nav = Flight Engineer or Navigator
Enter your flight time totals in accordance with FAR Part 61 (see below). However, DO NOT include any "PIC" pilot time that was also logged as "dual". Even though the FARs allow you to log PIC time and dual time simultaneously under certain circumstances, the airlines want your PIC time to reflect only the time that you had "final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight".
IMPORTANT: The system will automatically include your instructor time in the total PIC calculation. Therefore, do not include your instructor hours with your PIC time. For example, if you have 1000 hours of PIC time logged including 200 hours of Instructor time then you would enter 800 hours PIC and 200 hours Instructor.
Definitions from the FAA:
Pilot in command means the person who:
(1) Has final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight;
(2) Has been designated as pilot in command before or during the flight; and
(3) Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight.

Second in command means a pilot who is designated to be second in command of an aircraft during flight time.

 

[gnx99]

Can you still apply to one airline through airlineapps.com for free? I saw some old threads mentioning that, but looking through their site now, there's no reference to it.

 

[Scrapdog]

Can you still apply to one airline through airlineapps.com for free? I saw some old threads mentioning that, but looking through their site now, there's no reference to it.

I believe when you get back to the "addendums" section - that's where it asks which airline you want to apply to. As long as you only pick one, I think it's free. You can choose more obviously - but the fees start coming in.

For the logbook total stuff - just make sure it matches exactly what's on your paper products. For guys applying, a company printout of your times does you a lot more justice than just your own copy of a logbook where you could have padded your times to your heart's content. If you don't get a printout, just do your best.

 

[gnx99]

Here's my whine for the night:

Man what a flippin pain in the @rse!

Good night.

+1. I have 15+ different types of airplanes just from my CFI days. Ugh!!

 

[EngineOut]

+1. I have 15+ different types of airplanes just from my CFI days. Ugh!!

The instructions suggest you group similar types of airplanes into a group...for example: single piston fixed gear, single piston HP fixed gear, etc. That's what I did and had no problems. Makes for a much easier time, particularly when it's time to update. If you think about it, there's not one HR-type who really cares how much time you had in a 152 vs. a 172 anyway.

 

[Scrapdog]

If you think about it, there's not one HR-type who really cares how much time you had in a 152 vs. a 172 anyway.

Or anything else really unless it involves turbine PIC. That's the bread and butter.

 

[EngineOut]

Or anything else really unless it involves turbine PIC. That's the bread and butter.

I agree.

 

[gnx99]

The instructions suggest you group similar types of airplanes into a group...for example: single piston fixed gear, single piston HP fixed gear, etc. That's what I did and had no problems. Makes for a much easier time, particularly when it's time to update. If you think about it, there's not one HR-type who really cares how much time you had in a 152 vs. a 172 anyway.

Yeah, that's true. The real nasty part is seperating the 1,000+ C172 hours between recieved, given, and "true" PIC.

Every time I get an aircraft total complete, I've been doing a screen print, then writing the date on it.