USAir recalls, maybe not

[nethan]

As long as it doesn't include any commuter pilots masquerading as mainline pilots just because they flew an EM170 at some point in their career


PHXFLYR

Wow, maybe one of the WOs should be buddying up with AWA instead of trying to yell at the AAA MEC about that BS. We've apparently got something in common.

 

[Freight Dawg]

Hey dudes when ya'll are taxing around will you guys flash East v.s. West gang signs so we know what hood ya'll are represent'n?

 

[m80drvr]

That is not correct, those pilots were in fact hired at AAA and have all the appropriate applications and new hire paperwork to prove it, this was done well before AWA "saved" airways. Management also testified to an arbitrator that all pilots at the 170 division were in fact ALL Airways pilots. This is not arrogance just fact.
Besides all that what the heck do you care who is at the bottom of the list? Is it just about destroying 90 careers? You guys are great union types huh?

I suspect the reason AWA has done what it has with the MDA folks is to make sure the list represents only current mainline pilots that were working at the time of the merger. If the arbitrator goes for a ratio system I suspect AWA is trying to make the list reflective of only mainline folks. I understand the frustration of the MDA guys but I was laid of DEC 01 and some of you had hire dates a few years after that. This is kind of a can of worms since you may have more "time on property" than me. It is rather fishy that the AAA code a phones changer the week after the merger was announced.

I have looked at the airways list and it did include the deceased, the LTD and MDA folks.

That being said I'm sure the MDA folks will be placed where they agreed to be, right after the bottom mainline hired/furloughed pilot.

It's out of our hands anyway. Good luck to all. I'm sure whatever side you are on you will not be happy with the decision. Except the top 10% at of the captains, they always seem to do okay, go figure.

 

[FR8mastr]

I suspect the reason AWA has done what it has with the MDA folks is to make sure the list represents only current mainline pilots that were working at the time of the merger. If the arbitrator goes for a ratio system I suspect AWA is trying to make the list reflective of only mainline folks. I understand the frustration of the MDA guys but I was laid of DEC 01 and some of you had hire dates a few years after that. This is kind of a can of worms since you may have more "time on property" than me. It is rather fishy that the AAA code a phones changer the week after the merger was announced.

I have looked at the airways list and it did include the deceased, the LTD and MDA folks.

That being said I'm sure the MDA folks will be placed where they agreed to be, right after the bottom mainline hired/furloughed pilot.

I think the point that is being missed is that there was no such thing as MDA, it was a name only. The OFFICIAL name was the 170 division of US AIRWAYS. This is fact, the same fact admitted to in the 170 arbitration. The pilots at the 170 Division of Airways were in fact working at the time of the merger announcement and at the time the merger was legally consumated. To argue that these pilots should be at the bottom is one thing, to claim that they were not there is ridiculous.

 

[fletch]

It's going to interesting to see how this MDA thing is going to work out. I was called for a mda ca position about 2.5 years ago. I asked if this was recall to mainline. I was told NO. I was told I would accrue NO longevity towards my mainline longevity because this was NOT a recall to mainline. I was told this by my union, and 3 chief pilots. Based on that info., I declined.
Now they are saying this was mainline? If that would have been the case when I was offered the class, I would have taken it. So, will I be credited the 2 years of longevity that I could have accrued, if I had not been misled?

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

And the band played on....

 

[FR8mastr]

It's going to interesting to see how this MDA thing is going to work out. I was called for a mda ca position about 2.5 years ago. I asked if this was recall to mainline. I was told NO. I was told I would accrue NO longevity towards my mainline longevity because this was NOT a recall to mainline. I was told this by my union, and 3 chief pilots. Based on that info., I declined.
Now they are saying this was mainline? If that would have been the case when I was offered the class, I would have taken it. So, will I be credited the 2 years of longevity that I could have accrued, if I had not been misled?

There is a lawsuit pending over that very thing. Both the Company and ALPA lied, got caught and have been backpeddling ever since.

 

[A350]

The problem is that you were misled....but not intentionally.

The original MDA flying was supposed to be on the old Potomac Air certificate.....until the FAA said no way. So to save money and get the aircraft (which were supposed to be the savior of USAir) on line, they (management) agreed to put the airplanes on the USAirways certificate, which made it a recall.

The MDA guys used the USAir callsign, used the USAirways Flight Operations Manual, and were recalled to USAir.....by default not by choice.

A350

 

[trainer8]

Wow, maybe one of the WOs should be buddying up with AWA instead of trying to yell at the AAA MEC about that BS. We've apparently got something in common.

They all ready are/did. An excerpt from PDTs web site last August:

"WHEREAS the US Airways ALPA ("East") Negotiating Committee has created
an impasse on the
bidirectional flow between the carriers, and

WHEREAS US Airways was acquired by America West Airlines through
a 'Reverse Acquisition,' and
WHEREAS Piedmont Pilots are entitled to fair and equitable seniority
integration from the
Successor Carrier.

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Piedmont Master Executive Council
charges the Chairman
as well as the Flow Through Committee with establishing a dialog with
the America West MEC's (West)
and US Airways management representatives to establish an agreement
with US Airways management
and West regarding the process for procuring integration or flow
positions at US Airways."

T8

 

[nethan]

They all ready are/did. An excerpt from PDTs web site last August:

I was actually talking about the other WO and the line of thinking that the CEL MDA guys aren't really APL guys and hence have no business being J4J pilots. But yeah, what you said too.

 

[m80drvr]

I'm not arguing either way. That being said I would have looked at an MDA spot under a different light if I had been accruing usair longevity. I'm sure many others are in the same spot.


So are the piedmont guys trying to get on the usairways list also? I mean the regular PDT guys not just the guys that went to MDA. WOW.

 

[TheGuat]

I'm not arguing either way. That being said I would have looked at an MDA spot under a different light if I had been accruing usair longevity. I'm sure many others are in the same spot.


So are the piedmont guys trying to get on the usairways list also? I mean the regular PDT guys not just the guys that went to MDA. WOW.

I rode on a 170, does that mean I can get on the usairways list too?

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

You did?... I'm sure you're already on the East's seniority list.

 

[Itsallsogood]

Lets see......AAA wants date of hire. AAA MC is steadfast on DOH. They say MDA are active pilots on the list, therefore all MDA Piedmont guys hired in 2004 shall go ahead of about 80 (?) AWA pilots hired in 2004-2005. right.

 

[ponder]

no no no, the mda people were all hired after the last
America West pilots, chronolgically speaking.

 

[flythere]

I rode on a 170, does that mean I can get on the usairways list too?

Wow, TheGuat rode on a 170, did you poke your head in and say hi to the Captain?? Did the nice pilot give you some wings??

 

[TheGuat]

Wow, TheGuat rode on a 170, did you poke your head in and say hi to the Captain?? Did the nice pilot give you some wings??

He even told me the N number so I could put in my passenger logbook.

 

[737 Pylt]

He even told me the N number so I could put in my passenger logbook.

Cool!

737

 

[cactusboy53]

Or....it could be the same old staffing policy:

SOC: "I think we need more pilots."
Dir Ops: "You got it dude, how many pirates do you need?"

SOC: "No sir, I said we need more pilots."
Dir Ops: "Sorry, my mistake. So, how many privates do you need? Also, what is a private and what does it do?"

SOC: "No sir. MORE PILOTS. You know....those people that have special training to fly our airplanes."
Dir Ops: "Sorry, once again.....Oh yes, I would love some pine nuts. What were asking for again?"

Note: This conversation lasts over 2-3 months with memos. During this time the reserve pilots..pirates..privates...pine nuts are flying well over monthly guarantee.

Isn't it funny that one of the least expensive and most time consuming (training) cogs in this wheel still is the last thing that management wishes to address?

 

[Hpilot]

I don't care who ya are, that thar is funny.

Or....it could be the same old staffing policy:

SOC: "I think we need more pilots."
Dir Ops: "You got it dude, how many pirates do you need?"

SOC: "No sir, I said we need more pilots."
Dir Ops: "Sorry, my mistake. So, how many privates do you need? Also, what is a private and what does it do?"

SOC: "No sir. MORE PILOTS. You know....those people that have special training to fly our airplanes."
Dir Ops: "Sorry, once again.....Oh yes, I would love some pine nuts. What were asking for again?"

Note: This conversation lasts over 2-3 months with memos. During this time the reserve pilots..pirates..privates...pine nuts are flying well over monthly guarantee.

Isn't it funny that one of the least expensive and most time consuming (training) cogs in this wheel still is the last thing that management wishes to address?