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Frank Lorenzo

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Everyone else making money.

Your airline is "new", and should have the lowest costs in its existence. Costs only go up from here.

Service doesn't matter if you aren't making money.

Hope you are playing "Titanic" for your inflight movie on those seatback TV screens.

JBLU = People Express

5 years tops.
 
Why do envision you looking like Judy Garland and clicking your heals in this brave new airline environment?

"I wish I was at Home"
"I wish I was at Home"
"I wish I was at Home"


Sorry Frank, the good 'ole days aren't coming back. No matter how much you wish they would.
 
With all prices now being the same, airlines will have to compete on service.
 
Why do envision you looking like Judy Garland and clicking your heals in this brave new airline environment?

"I wish I was at Home"
"I wish I was at Home"
"I wish I was at Home"


Sorry Frank, the good 'ole days aren't coming back. No matter how much you wish they would.

Actually I think it was...

"There's no place like home"
"there's no place like home"
"etc"

;)
 
Everyone else making money.

Your airline is "new", and should have the lowest costs in its existence. Costs only go up from here.

Service doesn't matter if you aren't making money.

Hope you are playing "Titanic" for your inflight movie on those seatback TV screens.

JBLU = People Express

5 years tops.

Actually, costs ie CASM net of fuel actually went down for the quarter. B6 has been investing a great deal though in things for the future like a new terminal, hangars, and facilities ie things that are pricey now, but should pay off well in the future.

I didnt need to explain this to you though, bc you already know everything.
 
Sorry Frank, the good 'ole days aren't coming back. No matter how much you wish they would.

Hey where have you been?!

Have you seen pilot's contracts lately? Pilot's wages slashed, retirements liquidated, pilots flying 11 hours a day (with FAA approval, of course;) ), pilots picking up trash in the plane....

These ARE the good 'ole days my friend!

Oh and sorry to hear about the slowdown on growth at JBLU. Morale will soar for the crews stuck in the EMB "minimum wage jet" for a few years I'm sure.
 
Man I'm getting senile.

"There's no place like home"


Frank, you crack me up. Keep up the good work.


My favorite is--

"Court rules unions cannot strike" in the headlines again and again. It's not funny now they are ruling against the pilots instead of just the FA's and mechanic's.

We are truly in an anti-labor, global economy era now.
 
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Load factor, or occupancy, fell 6.2 points to 80.4 percent, while capacity grew 19 percent over the year ago quarter.

80 % load factor and losing money? Whats up lowerIQ?
 
Imagine how big the loss would have been if they had aircraft cleaners?
 
Exactly, but isn't it nice to have FF miles that get you other places than just Orlando. You get bad service on all airlines but at least some can get you places.

Once again you show your lack of intellect. The World Perks program that you seem to love so much, would require said flyer to travel 35,000-70,000 mile just for the shot at going somewhere beside Orlando. Of course it's all subject to a Saturday-night stay (for domestic flights), capacity controls and airline partner blackout dates. Seems to be many a flight to Grandma and Grandpa just to get out of the 48 states. The average person who flys a couple of times a year isn't interested in a FF program because they would have to wait too many years to get to your level, but you can believe they are if you wish.
 
Canyon, I went to Game 2. It was awesome!!! The Gambler was great. Tigers in 5.
 
Canyon, I went to Game 2. It was awesome!!! The Gambler was great. Tigers in 5.

Dream on. The Cards will take at least one in the new Busch. Trust me, the Cardinals know their way around Busch.
 
Once again you show your lack of intellect. The World Perks program that you seem to love so much, would require said flyer to travel 35,000-70,000 mile just for the shot at going somewhere beside Orlando. Of course it's all subject to a Saturday-night stay (for domestic flights), capacity controls and airline partner blackout dates. Seems to be many a flight to Grandma and Grandpa just to get out of the 48 states. The average person who flys a couple of times a year isn't interested in a FF program because they would have to wait too many years to get to your level, but you can believe they are if you wish.

CB, 92 FF programs around the world and an estimated 120 million Americans have participated in a FF program.

I agree some programs can be onerous at best but the numbers seem to dispute your claim. It's a money making program for a lot of airlines but you are right in the fact that "some" travellers are solely interested in the price of the ticket and could care less about a rewards program but a noticeable demographic do, so it would be foolish for the airlines to ignore them even SWA's has one do they not?

Your point is well taken but our programs are not there to entice grandma's or grandpa's loyalty (leisure travelers)it's to cater to our business travellers who demand said programs.

Koko
 
CB, 92 FF programs around the world and an estimated 120 million Americans have participated in a FF program.

I agree some programs can be onerous at best but the numbers seem to dispute your claim. It's a money making program for a lot of airlines but you are right in the fact that "some" travellers are solely interested in the price of the ticket and could care less about a rewards program but a noticeable demographic do, so it would be foolish for the airlines to ignore them even SWA has one do they not?

Your point is well taken but our programs are not there to entice grandma's or grandpa's loyalty (leisure travelers)it's to cater to our business travellers who demand said programs.

Koko

I agree with your post. FF programs do matter for the ones who fly the most, and are rewarded for their loyalty, especially with international destinations with a Legacy carrier. I was a FF in the PSA program years ago, but like many others, never flew enough to merit a free ticket. I would guess that the majority of those currently in any airlines FF program will never reach that plateau. It seem that the ones we all seem to chase, the $59 travelers, fall into that category. For the leisure traveller, I would put FF miles somewhere below paint job for airline loyalty.
 
Dream on. The Cards will take at least one in the new Busch. Trust me, the Cardinals know their way around Busch.

...I think military guys can't think outside of the batters box, and they are afraid of the fastball.

--The Canyonblue
 
I agree with your post. FF programs do matter for the ones who fly the most, and are rewarded for their loyalty, especially with international destinations with a Legacy carrier. I was a FF in the PSA program years ago, but like many others, never flew enough to merit a free ticket. I would guess that the majority of those currently in any airlines FF program will never reach that plateau. It seem that the ones we all seem to chase, the $59 travelers, fall into that category. For the leisure traveller, I would put FF miles somewhere below paint job for airline loyalty.

LOL, Well you guy's are doing something right.

And I agree it's the allure of getting something for "nothing" that keeps some of them coming back. Like Mr.Heinz said many years ago, it's the ketchup left on the plate which I make money off of, same could be said about all the FF miles NEVER redeemed.

Cheers

Koko
 
JetBlue posts narrow loss, reduces expansion
By Chris Reiter

NEW YORK (Reuters) - JetBlue Airways Corp. (JBLU.O) on Tuesday posted a narrow third-quarter loss, the latest sign that short-haul carriers face softening demand, but shares rose after the discount airline said it will pare expansion plans.

JetBlue, which is in the midst of a restructuring plan to trim $120 million from annual expenses by 2007, said it will slow its growth rate over the next three years by reducing its 190-strong fleet of Airbus A320 and Embraer (ERJ.N) planes. Shares rose nearly 7 percent in early trading.

"We feel very strongly that the slower growth will be a benefit to our investors," said Chief Executive David Neeleman on a conference call.

Neeleman said JetBlue has no plans to raise capital in stock offerings for the next three years, soothing investor concerns that the fast-growing airline could dilute earnings by issuing new shares to finance expansion.

The company said it may take delivery of the 30 planes it has on order for next year and sell or lease older ones. But it didn't specify how many planes or what types would be cut.

With the revised growth plans, JetBlue said it expects capacity to increase 14 percent to 17 percent in 2007. It previously planned to expand capacity 18 percent to 20 percent.

Six-year-old JetBlue, which is in the midst of a restructuring program, posted a net loss of $500,000, or nil per share, compared with a net profit of $2.7 million, or 2 cents per share, in the year-earlier quarter. Analysts expected the company to break even, according to Reuters Estimates.

Earnings were boosted by a $7 million pretax gain from the sale of five A320 aircraft earlier this year, as part of an earlier plan dampen growth that also included the deferral of 12 A320s that were to be delivered in 2007.

DISCOUNTERS FACE HEADWINDS

While the overall airline industry experiences a rebound from a six-year slump, discount carriers such as JetBlue are facing headwinds.

Traditional airlines like United Airlines (UAUA.O) have made deep cost cuts to compete more effectively with low-cost carriers. Meanwhile, demand for short-haul routes operated by budget airlines took a hit from tighter security measures implemented August 10 after British police said they uncovered a plot to blow up airliners.

"It appears low-cost carriers are in a vice with high fuel and the increased hassle factor (associated with tighter security measures)," said Ray Neidl, an analyst with Calyon Securities.

JetBlue said operating revenue rose 39 percent to $628 million as the company added flights and raised ticket prices at the expense of filling seats.

JetBlue's load factor, the percentage of airline seats filled with paying customers, fell 6.2 points to 80.4 percent. The company is trying to improve earnings by charging higher average fares even if it means empty seats.

CEO Neeleman also said that the New York-based carrier is in talks with international airlines about codeshare partnerships and could announce a deal in the course of the next quarter.

For the fourth quarter, JetBlue said it expects to report an operating margin between 6 percent and 8 percent, assuming fuel cost of $1.94 per gallon.

Jet fuel is currently trading at about $1.69 per gallon. The company has hedges in place above this level, which may lead to it paying above-market prices for fuel.

JetBlue shares were up 44 cents at $11.58 in midday trading on Nasdaq. JetBlue has underperformed the sector so far this year, falling 28 percent, while the Amex airline index (.XAL) rose 22 percent.

(Additional reporting by Paritosh Bansal)

10/24/06 12:33 ET
 
Peoples didn't have 9/11 circumstances.

Now that the legacies are back on their feet, they are going to pummel JBLU.

Frank:
For the love of all things, read this:

Six-year-old JetBlue, which is in the midst of a restructuring program, posted a net loss of $500,000, or nil per share, compared with a net profit of $2.7 million, or 2 cents per share, in the year-earlier quarter

Doesn't sound like the end of the world to me, considering UAL was losing $billions per quarter while in BK and not paying any bills!
 
Bosley you seriously need to get some counseling over your hatred of all things UAL and get that CHIP off your shoulder.
About 80% of your post here is about UAL, don't believe me? Check out your past posts yourself. I'm curious what's up with that?
Turned down? Hate our CEO's? Never called? Bad experience on our flight? Our crewmembers? I'm all ears.

Anyway's your tirades are both tiresome and boring...Try getting some new material will ya?

Blue Dudes/dudettes keep your chin up and best of luck. Lamenting over someones misery is pathetic and dare I say unprofessional but then again this is FI.

Folks behind there keyboards spew crap they wouldn't dare say face to face to each other. And yes I know I've been known to do the same but hopefully not with the venom some folks here on this board seem to spew on a consistent basis.

Koko
 
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Straight from Dave #2 yesterday at meet and greet for new hires at Jetblue, which included 52 flight attendants and 17 pilots-- there will be new cities announced today and tomorrow. Tomorrow's is I'm guessing, ORD. Today's is a mystery but should be surprising too... We are in a slower growth mode, but like David said yesterday in the conference call, 14-17% growth next year is still better than most of the airline industry's forcasted growth for 2007...
 

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