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Instructordude...

Stop stirring the pot. If you have something usefull to add then great, but if all you are going to do is post your nonsene then please go to the YGTBSM thread or general forum and post there. No offense, but you sound like you have no idea what you are talking about in your posts here. Maybe you should build some time and work in the profession for a while before coming on to this forum and trying to tell us how it is.
 
DiamondZ said:
Have you flown anything over 15000lbs? With your vast experience as an aviator, you would know that things happen even to the most professional pilots.

Im sure you'll do well in the airline industry.
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:rolleyes:Diamond...don't sweat instructor, he is just a "Dreamer" killing time on the computer!
 
DiamondZ said:
Have you flown anything over 15000lbs? With your vast experience as an aviator, you would know that things happen even to the most professional pilots.

Im sure you'll do well in the airline industry.
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I've flown things 300 lbs.
 
Once again....are you done? Please go somewhere else.
 
Lake Alice said:
An autoland should not collapse the gear on an aircraft. Normal landings should not collapse the gear on an aircraft. So its either the pilot, training or maintenance.
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Or a design flaw.
 
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Come on guys, instructordude is just trying to get a rise out of everyone.

His comments (even if they are correct, inappropriate coming from him, whatever it is) are entertaining, and so are the responses. Keep 'em coming.

Theres just something so raw and entertaining about a genuine flightinfo argument, because you know one guy is just laughing his butt off on one end, and the other guy has steam coming out of his ears on the other end.
 
There were a couple of threads written about the differences of the MD11 and DC10 a while ago. Unfortunatly, these threads came about shortly after the runway fire in Mem. (time period) and the announcement of NWA retiring the 10. Some good reading. Nice airplanes....the one plane I would love to fly. cya
 
One of the difficulties with landing widebodies is the fact that landings come few and far between -- especially for folks on reserve. Usually the first topic of conversation in the cockpit is which guy needs one first before going non-current.
 
You guys are a bunch of wossieeess!
The MD11 is not hard to land at all.....
Just listen to the 50 40 30 20 10 callouts to land the puppy...
Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!11
 
Eight posts in 4 years, and you surface for that?
 
Ya but his landing info is pretty close. That and be stable at say 800/1000 ft.Rocket science it's not.
 
For all those saying the MD-11 is an easy airplane to land, well your right and your wrong. Stable approach is an absolute, 100% requirement. But how many of you arm chair experts have made a landing out of something less than stable and thought "WOW that was luck". If its never happened to you then congrats on your aviation god like status. For the rest of us we continue to strive for your level of airmanship and we may never get there since we don't have the required EGO.

The MD-11 is not an easy airplane to as evident by the number of landing accidents. As with any airplane you have to know when to go around and not press a bad approach, but of course we all know that. The MD-11 is just not as forgiving as many designs and until you decide to fly this airplane as no other before it will bite you one day. My point is for all the arm chair quarterbacks. I would say slow down on your rush to judgement cause there is a thing such as Karma and what goes around will come around.

"Judgement day cometh and right soon"
 
Cultural Issues

I overheard an MD-11 crew from one of the two major package carriers mention how you’re a pu$$y if you use the FD and auto throttles for landing. Sure, piece of cake, and I’m not saying that’s what happened here, but sometimes cultural issues such as this can lead to mishaps. Similar to Southwest running off the runway because of cultural issues about speed on final.
 
propjob27 said:
WOW. I have never heard that before. Maybe some crazy European carrier.

World doesn't seem to have a problem landing the MD-11. Of course, their pilots ONLY land MD-11's, since they don't have any MD-10's.
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Not according to their website. Either they need to update their website or they have both models. But one thing is clear, you're definitely a Tool.

What the heck is an MD-10 anyway?
 
Crossky said:
Not according to their website. Either they need to update their website or they have both models. But one thing is clear, you're definitely a Tool.

What the heck is an MD-10 anyway?
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The MD-10 is referring to the DC-10's that FedEx retrofitted to an MD-11 cockpit. The airplane is a DC-10 less the FE and plus glass and automation.
 
There are many airplanes that are difficult to land in one way or another. A quick review of FAA statistics supports the theory that landing an MD11 is difficult as it pertains to FedEx primarily.

Fatigue and training are most likely to be the reasons IMO.
 
there have been many mishaps on landing with MD11's, not just at Fedex. Mandarin managed to turn one upside down, like Fedex did somewhere in NY state. Tailstrikes are common. Somewhere on the web should be a list with aircraft history, including write-offs. Could be interesting reading

Crossky: before you call anybody a tool, get your facts straight. World does have MD-11's and DC-10's. The ONLY carrier with MD-10's is Fedex. They own a STC to convert DC-10's to MD-10's by replacing the cockpit with that of the MD-11 (and in the process get rid of the f/e). Nobody else in the world has done this yet (and probably never will)
 
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CCDiscoB said:
I overheard an MD-11 crew from one of the two major package carriers mention how you’re a pu$$y if you use the FD and auto throttles for landing. Sure, piece of cake, and I’m not saying that’s what happened here, but sometimes cultural issues such as this can lead to mishaps. Similar to Southwest running off the runway because of cultural issues about speed on final.
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If it was a Fedex pilot, he's is definitely a minority. From my perspective, the cultural problem that exists at Fedex is on the other side of the scale.

NOT using all the automation is like an emergency procedure. There are guys getting debriefed on line checks for not using auto-throttles. Part of the problem with the Maddog pilots is many overuse the automation at the expense of basic flying skills. There needs to be a balance - they need to be able to hand fly too.
 
I overheard someone referring to flying the MD11 as like trying trying to fly a gymnasium half full of water. Obviously it is a challenging aircraft to fly when you are not tired much less after a 12hour back side of the clock flight.
 
In all honesty I don't think the MD-11 is all that bad to land. I think where most people get into trouble in trying to save a poor touchdown. I have always felt if you don't get the landing you want in the first attempt don't try to save it by bringing the nose up. Just take what you have and accept the thud! I realize this sounds like flying school day one, but people seem to keeping bringing the nose up trying to get the perfect landing. Just my two cents. As for the MD-10, I think we are flying them about 5-7 kts too slow on appch. Most of the time when you are on speed and G/S you feel like you are falling rather than flying. I would be interested to see how it would feel to land it about 5 kts or so faster.
 
All MD11 tailstrikes involve two things:

1. Excessive sink rate

2. A pitch-up control input.


Hand fly more. It won't kill you. May even save you sometime....
 
MD11Drvr said:
The MD-10 is referring to the DC-10's that FedEx retrofitted to an MD-11 cockpit. The airplane is a DC-10 less the FE and plus glass and automation.
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Thanks, I profess ignorance. I'm eating my humble pie now. Sorry for the name calling.
 

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