Your thoughts on job boards

[matchthehatch]

I'm looking for any thoughts on the value of some of the various pay-for job posting web sites. Has anyone actually gotten a job through one of these sites? I'm only familiar with a couple, but would like to hear the good and bad about any and all. Thanks for all of the help and answers I've gotten here.

 

[Hippie]

OK,

Paying for Avjobs info on the net is like paying for porn on the net, why? There’s so much of it out there for free if you look hard enough.

If you are looking for a corporate gig, just remember that most all companies that will have a flight department will also have a website, go there and book mark it, find the jobs section, if they need a pilot it will most likely be listed there.

Most charter ops will have the same, start compiling a list of places that you want to work for, that are hiring and that you meet their minimums check them almost daily, start sending them resumes.

I see no need to pay for info that is readily free if one spends the time to find it.

My take on these pay for job info boards is that no one goes there, traffic is low, no money from banners adds etc… so the owners of the site in an attempt to keep it running goes paid membership.

The next step will be the scaling down or altogether closing of that website.

One of your best sources of info is right here, I’ve seen several good and great jobs posted and more than a few folks have been hired up from info they gleaned from here.

Save your beanies and sped them elsewhere.

Hippie

 

[CCDiscoB]

I can tell you what company in Africa is hiring, how about that? Seriously, I would say they aren't worth it. I agree with what Hippie wrote.

I do pay for one site, AEPS. It's only $12 a month and I have someplace to go for info. They e-mail you also. It's a way to gauge the industry. AVJobs is NOT worth the money. They don't e-mail and seem to half about half the jobs the other sites have.

I'd say in a year I've seen 2-3 jobs that interested me that were exclusively on AEPS. Is that worth $144 a year? I'd say no. I've been thinking about quitting.

 

[rice]

Speaking of Job Boards.

Does anyone have any info regarding the DA-2000 job posted on climbto350 today?
And yeah I am to cheap to pay for it.

Thanks guys!!!!!!

 

[BoDEAN]

Most charter ops will have the same, start compiling a list of places that you want to work for, that are hiring and that you meet their minimums check them almost daily, start sending them resumes.

Hippie: Do you have any tips for finding out just "what" charter companies exist at a given airport? Would it be a matter of looking in an A/Fd? I think that is an obstacle for me. Most of the companies are hidden on the airport, and it's hard to tell if they have a charter operation or not.

 

[Flywrite]

Gizbug,

Try www.guides.com they have a directory of most charter companies by state and city.

 

[BoDEAN]

Thanks!

 

[Publishers]

Magazine

When I published the magazine for AEPS, I commented on this many times.

The value of AEPS is not in the job posting. That is also what is wrong with most of the other sites.

The value is that companies come there and search the resumes for personnel because they DO NOT WANT resumes sent to them.

Secondly, AEPS is set up so the companies can do their own posts. If you look at it often, you can see the mistakes some company made trying to post.

Climbto350 is legitimate but lacks the universal number of companies that use it for searching. They rely on posts that may or may not be original.

The fact is that there are a ton of flying and other aviation positons that are out there you will not find on your own, unless your whole thing is to be at a major or large regional in whcih case you would be wasting your money being on one of these paid for boards.

 

[conquest]

AVJOBS

I have found all my flying jobs from free job postings (findapilot.com. If AESP is listing a job that you have to pay for, anyother one will have it for free on their sight.

 

[WMU_Drew]

Don't throw away money, AEPS has been advertising that ASA and Skyway are looking for pilots (Its been a hot topic on the regional board) but ASA isn't hiring new people until 2004 and Skyway still has people on furlough with no immediate plans of recalls.

 

[BoDEAN]

AEPS

I signed up for the free 7 day trial.
Get a lot of mail from them. A digest mail, and some other lists that I guess they subscribed me to. Is this normal? I have to sift through all these different emails now to figure out what they are. My understanding was, once signingup, you go to the site and see what jobs are out there. Didn't know handful of digest emails were sent out

 

[Publishers]

AEPS

AEPS

AEPS is set up for the companies to use for searches. It costs them nothing which is why they use them. The format and everything were done with that in mind.

If you think the concept is to have a jobs board, you already missed the boat. Many of these jobs are not boards because they do not want piles of resumes from people that do not meet their real needs.

As example, if I want to set 5000 as the minimum time required, those with 4999 do not get in the search result. If I want a Lear rating, those without do not get in. It is possible to limit to a very specific list and that is the advantage. Even most companies that posted jobs did the search first.

 

[BoDEAN]

Thanks.
So signing up and paying with that company, puts your job information on the table, for employeers to pick/look at if they desire. It's not meant for you, the job seeker, to see what is available out there, say in a certain area?

 

[Publishers]

basically

In a way that is correct. Many dismiss or pay no attention to that aspect of membership. By the way, this is true of not only AEPS but a few others like Pilotstaffcv .

The reason it is set up this way is so --being free to the employer-- there is no reason for them not to use it.

To classify these as just a job board is not correct. Frankly I have posted jobs on AEPS and been blasted with profiles. Most were not qualified for what I was looking for, a large number extremely poorly done.

It is much easier to run a silent search-- put in the exact qualifications and see how many you get. If you get 20, you usually can dismiss 15 right off.

What everyone signs up for of course is the job board so they can send their information even when they do not meet the qualification. Or, they meet them and hear nothing. The average job posting on AEPS results in over 100 profiles.

 

[captainv]

AEPS

I tried AEPS for a while before cancelling. Complete waste of time in my case. I got the occasional email telling me that some company in LA was looking for a G-IV or Global Express captain. Not exactly helpful when you're flying Learjets. If it works for others, great - i'm just describing my experience.

I know of several jobs that came up in my area, that were posted elsewhere on the Net, none of which AEPS alerted me to. In my experience, most corporate flight departments hire people they know, or recommendations from pilots they trust. The occasional exception would be a guy who hands out his resume in person to the local flight departments and gets lucky. But that would only happen if he had lots of time in type. We got lots of resumes from airline captains, but if they didn't have recent corporate time, it didn't help much in a small flight department.

When i had low time, i thought these boards would alert me to jobs on the next rung up the ladder. But now i think the whole thing is bass-ackwards. the applicants with low time and not much free income pay so the company can browse our numbers for free? no wonder they love it, but i haven't met any pilot who benefited from one of these....

 

[reepicheep]

I agree with CaptainV.

Sure there are exceptions, but in this environment if a corporate or charter flight department needs to hire a pilot they will be deluged with resumes via the Old Boy Network. Why bother to go out and advertise?

 

[Publishers]

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I am not saying that they are the be all and end all of the process you need to participate in. Still for the money, they are very inexpensive.

Look at all levels, who you know and where you are make all the difference. Still, this process works because I saw it when I did the magazine. If I needed someone tomorrow, that is where I would look first.