You think Woerth Actually Means It???

[flyn96]

Duane said he will no longer sign anymore concessionay contracts. Do you think with the impending doom at Mesaba he will actually not sign on the contract and trigger the strike?????

This time there is alot more at stake just make me wonder if someone is actally going to walk the walk.

 

[XJ-spartacus]

Duane says what the pilots at any given carrier want to hear. Has he signed comair's contract yet? Concessions haven't bothered him up until this point, why would we be any different? Duane isn't fighting this battle, the pilots at Mesaba are. If the pilots sign a concessionary deal, then I don't believe it will matter what Duane signs. It's our obligation to hold the line, not Duane's.

-XJ Spartacus

 

[xjmnpilot]

Duane said he will no longer sign anymore concessionay contracts. Do you think with the impending doom at Mesaba he will actually not sign on the contract and trigger the strike?????

This time there is alot more at stake just make me wonder if someone is actally going to walk the walk.

When did he say precisely this?

 

[YourPilotFriend]

In bankruptcy it doesn't matter, the choice is being made for you. As with XJ it is impossible for you to prove that the concessions are not without good reason. In bankruptcy, just because it causes finacial hardship is not an excuse to strike. NWA took your fleet size down and now you are forced to deal with a reduced unit cost. Bankruptcy is about company survival and not about employee QOL, look at Enron. Airlines are setup to make certain people a lot of money. The reason the redtail kiddies are hurting is because NWA needs new airplanes so it can double dip somemore. You think those new 70 seaters will be leased back to the regionals at market value, HAHA.

What a scam, I think i'll start a construction company and build myself a $10,000,000 home. Then I should sell it to myself for one dollar and lease it back to my company for $100,000 a week. Pocket all the money and a year later have the company file chapter 11, renegotiate the lease to myself, and then file chapter 7. A $10,000,000 home and $5,200,000 cash alright!

 

[rtmcfi]

In bankruptcy it doesn't matter, the choice is being made for you.

When was the last time the courts imposed a contract on a pilot group? Have pilots ever NOT withered under an 1113c? Pilots have never stood up, so we don't really know if the choice is made for us. We have always blinked first....

 

[flyin backwards]

I believe what he said as he won't sign a consessionary contract with the promise for growth.

 

[XJ-spartacus]

So if they don't promise growth, he's cool with it? If Duane holds the line it would be the first time that he......oh wait......second time he has ever done such a thing. Although he could make a stand, he has rarely done so in the past. However, I do hope that this IS the proving ground for the right to self help during a 1113(c) judgement. I won't vote for any concessions so that's one vote to walk if the judge imposes the term sheet.

-XJ Spartacus

 

[JoeMerchant]

Duane will use Mesaba as a sacrificial lamb for the NWA pilots. After Mesaba goes down, he will sign a new NWA agreement with low 70 seat rates under the promise of growth for mainline. What he meant to say was he won't sign a concessionary regional contract for the promise of growth, but he will sign a concessionary mainline contract for the promise of mainline jobs. Don't fall for his snake oil.

 

[xjhawk]

taking concessions when you are going from 200 grand to a hundred grand a year hurts, but at least when you tighten up, you are selling a florida condo, a ski cottage, and getting rid of a sports car. The FO's at Mesaba are being asked to go down to 20 grand from mid twenties and barely thrirty grand a year. Our fearless leaders said we need to tighten our belts, to maybe downsize homes and such....well, those idiots do not realise that we already cannot afford to buy a house, and many of us are living with family already. I would rather shut the company down than to go back to making sub 25, and thats only a 4 grand difference.....but i still say, screw them.

 

[XJ-spartacus]

XJHawk,

I hope that most of the pilots here at Mesaba feel the same way. The only way that we can send a message to both management and the negotiators is to vote down any concessions. I feel the same way that you do. I would rather go look for another job than be forced out of my home so that Spanjiers can buy a more expensive one.

-Spartacus

 

[1973Arrow]

I bet he's going to take most of that $550,000+ he makes per year to help...yea, who am I kidding...

 

[D'Angelo]

its game over already. He cant allow airlines like Mesa to get contracts like they did and then tell everyone else no concessions. The rules either apply to all or none. You cant drop the ball and then 4 years later try to make someone your sheep to the slaughter. Its a democracy so vote how you must and let the chips fall where they may

 

[dojetdriver]

taking concessions when you are going from 200 grand to a hundred grand a year hurts, but at least when you tighten up, you are selling a florida condo, a ski cottage, and getting rid of a sports car. The FO's at Mesaba are being asked to go down to 20 grand from mid twenties and barely thrirty grand a year. Our fearless leaders said we need to tighten our belts, to maybe downsize homes and such....well, those idiots do not realise that we already cannot afford to buy a house, and many of us are living with family already. I would rather shut the company down than to go back to making sub 25, and thats only a 4 grand difference.....but i still say, screw them.

I hope there are more guys with your attitude at Mesaba and there is no folding on concessions

 

[Lear70]

If the pilots sign a concessionary deal, then I don't believe it will matter what Duane signs. It's our obligation to hold the line, not Duane's.

Not exactly.

The ALPA Chair (DW) has veto authority over ANY agreement at an ALPA carrier. IF you sign a concessionary deal, DW CAN veto it with or without your approval.

So if he doesn't agree with your concessionary deal prior to an 1113(c) ruling, there's nothing you can do about it other than wait to see if the judge rules for or against you or you can continue to negotiate something DW WILL sign.

Do I think he'll do so? Don't know, won't guess. What IS for certain is that he doesn't have the right to MAKE you strike over an imposed 1113(c) ruling to throw out your contract.

If the judge rules against you do you really think your MEC will try to strike over it? Notwithstanding a court order against it which would probably be brought in 24-48 hours of such a job action, but do you REALLY think that, given your MEC's stance in the last few weeks, you'll be asked to walk when the judge rules?

How many of you will quit if the MEC just bends over and takes it? THESE are the questions you need to be asking. What are YOUR plans if / when it all goes south?

 

[Master Shake]

Its a democracy so vote how you must and let the chips fall where they may

Unfortunately we can't vote on him. That's a problem. He's a giant labial area when it comes to regional pilots. If Mesaba goes away because of all this 1113 BS, and then NWA DOES sign a concessionary contract for 70+ seaters then this guy should be impeached!!!

 

[mamba20]

Please, he couldn't care less. All he cares about is his paycheck. ALPA couldn't care less about the regionals. They dont make any money from the regionals.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Please, he couldn't care less. All he cares about is his paycheck. ALPA couldn't care less about the regionals. They dont make any money from the regionals.

Who is "ALPA?" Do you mean your MEC? Or the 70,000 ALPA pilots? Or the President of ALPA? I'm confused.

-Neal

 

[BluDevAv8r]

its game over already. He cant allow airlines like Mesa to get contracts like they did and then tell everyone else no concessions. The rules either apply to all or none. You cant drop the ball and then 4 years later try to make someone your sheep to the slaughter. Its a democracy so vote how you must and let the chips fall where they may

I won't defend the rates, rules, and benefits at Mesa...but please put into context the dillemma they were facing with respect to Freedom Air, an alter-ego carrier that was up and running. It wasn't a black and white simple rational decision for the Mesa pilots.

-Neal

 

[Cadillac]

or the fact that they voted in a crap contract for quick growth and upgrades. . .

 

[sniper]

I won't defend the rates, rules, and benefits at Mesa...but please put into context the dillemma they were facing with respect to Freedom Air, an alter-ego carrier that was up and running. It wasn't a black and white simple rational decision for the Mesa pilots.

-Neal

Freedom was an issue, but a very small issue that their MEC fall for it.

They should have vote that POS down.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Freedom was an issue, but a very small issue that their MEC fall for it.

They should have vote that POS down.

How do you figure it was a small issue? What if JO shut Mesa down over time and gave all of the flying to Freedom? Would it be small then?

-Neal

 

[xjhawk]

well, i am thinking of applying to a coffee shop for a parttime job to cover this slide i am already in for pay, this should cover me for a month, other than that, any ideas? Do you think i can double dip with the airlines as a strike breaker? I can put my Army experince to good use......haha haha haha