XJT strike-training?

[MAX]

any predictions on how a strike may effect sept. class?do i need to worry about not completing training or class being cancelled??
thanks.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

any predictions on how a strike may effect sept. class?do i need to worry about not completing training or class being cancelled??
thanks.

Not to worry, there is absolutely zero chance that a strike could occur before the New Year.

 

[contract2002]

any predictions on how a strike may effect sept. class?do i need to worry about not completing training or class being cancelled??
thanks.

By accepting 19.56 and hour to fly the E145, you will be doing much more damage to the industry than a strike by the XJT pilots ever will do. How quick would the company come to the table if the new hire classes were empty?

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

By accepting 19.56 and hour to fly the E145, you will be doing much more damage to the industry than a strike by the XJT pilots ever will do. How quick would the company come to the table if the new hire classes were empty?

bingo

 

[mckpickle]

This is true. About 3-4 years ago the Mechanics got a new contract. It sucked so bad that management gave everyone a voluntary raise so that people would apply. They had recruiters out combing the tech schools for MX guys and no one would work untill the wage increased.

 

[Prop Trash]

originally posted by MAX...
Do i need to worry about not completing training or class being cancelled??

Should a strike occur, your training would be cancelled. All of the flight instructors at ExpressJet are ALPA members. If you were to finish training and IOE and a strike occurred, then you would be fired. But that's O.K., it's just a formality and the union would get your job back for you when the strike is over via a "back to work agreement." You're just being held "hostage" by the company. Unfortunately, I don't think you'd get ALPA's strike pay after the 30 days since you'd still be considered an appretice member and a probationary pilot. Yeah, it sucks, but it's all in the name of more $$$.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Didn't Comair 1st year pilots get strike pay? Remember all the hoopla about how their $700 checks every 2 weeks were a big raise for them while on strike?

 

[AviatorTx]

This is true. About 3-4 years ago the Mechanics got a new contract. It sucked so bad that management gave everyone a voluntary raise so that people would apply. They had recruiters out combing the tech schools for MX guys and no one would work untill the wage increased.

This would never work with pilots... Sad.

We could bring back PFT, then make the f/o's fly free for the first year... As long as we dropped the requirements to something like 300 & 25, people would be fighting at the door to get in.

Uh, huh huh... I getta fly a jet.... Huh huh... cool.

 

[JungleJetFO]

Didn't Comair 1st year pilots get strike pay? Remember all the hoopla about how their $700 checks every 2 weeks were a big raise for them while on strike?

Anyone know how strike pay works? Does everyone across the board get this strike pay or are there stipulations? The reason I ask is if while on strike you find another job to pay the bills and cannot commit to walking the picket line, do you forfeit your strike pay?

 

[Mesabi Miner]

After/if the strike begins, you will need to put in a certain number of shifts per week performing union duties. I think at Mesaba it was slated to be three shifts per week or something of the sort. As long as you performed your union duties, you would receive your strike benefits. Duties included picketing, working the phones, etc at the strike center, strategically observing (spying on) the company and movement of aircraft, and other things. I think strike pay was on the order of $1400 per month. Not much, but most people planned to try and work other things on the side.

 

[contract2002]

The reason I ask is if while on strike you find another job to pay the bills and cannot commit to walking the picket line, do you forfeit your strike pay?

in short:
Yes.


expanded version:
Your MEC will determine what (if any) strike duties will need to be performed to qualify for strike pay. Just make sure that you have enough cash saved up as the strike pay will not just roll in on the next pay date after a strike begins.

 

[Captain X]

I think strike pay was on the order of $1400 per month.

PRE-TAX

 

[cardinalflyer]

I hope Prop Trash is right that everyone in training or the pool will still have a job if there is a strike. I was lied to on Sept. 17, 2001 when I was assured that my job was safe with Express Jet.

 

[contract2002]

I hope Prop Trash is right that everyone in training or the pool will still have a job if there is a strike. I was lied to on Sept. 17, 2001 when I was assured that my job was safe with Express Jet.

Every probationary pilot ON PROPERTY will get fired and then get their jobs back. This is covered under the RLA.

the only required definition is that of "ON PROPERTY", does that mean IOE complete or does it mean that you just sat down in your first day of class?

 

[Sam Fisher]

I hope Prop Trash is right that everyone in training or the pool will still have a job if there is a strike. I was lied to on Sept. 17, 2001 when I was assured that my job was safe with Express Jet.

How were you lied to? Every single pilot in the 9/10/01 class was put on the seniority list, despite not being employees here (you aren't a new hire until you are done with your sim ride).

Sam

 

[Nova]

I'm curious too. How wasn't your job protected? Even those furloughed had Commutair as an option.

 

[cardinalflyer]

I interviewed in July and was given a class date of September (ATR). When CAL/COEX announced that they were furloughing thousands the Saturday following 9/11/01, I was called the following Monday and told the I was still going to have a job with COEX when the furloughs were recalled. This information was confirmed by the union rep for furloughed pilots (I forgot her name) that all pool pilots were going to have their conditional offers honored. It did not happen.

 

[Nova]

First, you were never on the seniority list. Second, union representation is for those on that list. The person you talked to was a union liason, not an official union rep.


As far as I remember, those with offers of class dates were re-interviewed (nothing more than a formality) and given class dates again when the hiring restarted earlier this year. Did you not take them up on that offer? Yes, it would suck to "re-interview" but worse things have happened and you would still have a job.

If a strike were to happen the same could occur again. Those on the seniority list will be protected and those that aren't will be taken care of secondarily. I don't think this is the fault of the union. How would you expect it to be handled?

 

[cardinalflyer]

No, they did not reinterview those in the pool. The company should have been honest from the begining and said you have a conditional offer that has been revoked due to the unexpected change in the industry and not given anyone a false promise / hope. Secondly the union should not have made the promise that the offers of employment were going to be honored either. If I had only heard it from one source then that would have been completely different that hearing it from both the company and the union.

 

[Nova]

Get it in writing. Pilots on property do and it comes in the form of the contract.

Right after 9/11 the CEO stated that he felt that our operations would rebound to pre-9/11 staffing in 1 year time (everyone would be back on property). Obvoiusly that didn't happen but not as a result of management or the union. A lot of statements were made in those early few months but were based more on hope than on facts. No one made any promises I can assure you of that. Neither the company nor the union are that stupid. You may have take speculation as fact but that's your own doing. Had either party known that it would take 2 and a half years to get our furloughs back?

The one person I know who was in a similar situation applied, interviewed and now sits on property here. Those that were unable to didn't meet the 2004 hiring minimums. They were hired in 2001 with 600 hours TT and found the '04 miniums at 1200 hours TT and hadn't flown since 9/11. Everyone who had a tenative class date in 9/01 or 10/01 should have been able to log another 600 hours in the next 30 months.

It seems you may have been one of those few who got out of aviation post-9/11 assuming you had a guarantee of a job, nevermind that you never stepped foot on property and 2.5 years pasted. I don't see what happened as a suprise nor do I think it's out of line given the times and circumstances.