Would this be considered PFT?

[RadarVector]

The 135 operator I work for wants me to go to Lear 31 school for SIC training at their expense. I am currently PIC and typed in another jet. They will eventually type me in the Lear, perhaps at recurrent. Flying the Lear will detract from the Jet PIC time I can log. What is your opinion about paying the difference between SIC and the type rating (approx $4K.) so I can log the PIC time in the Lear? In other words, will the additional jet PIC time be worth the expense in the long run or do you think it’s negligible over the course of a young career? Also, I do not want to concede to PFT, so if it’s considered as such the decision is easy. Just need to make sure I think this thru -- Thanks for the advice in advance!

 

[deadstick]

Sorry, no good answer, but I do have a few follow-up questions.

1) Did they already say they won't pay for the type now? If so, why not? If you are already PIC on one type, wouldn't it help the compnay to have another PIC who is already o nthe payroll?

1a) If they have already said "no," and they said they would upgrade you next year, offer a contract to stay year if they pay for it now. $4k for 12 mo, prorated, etc.

1b) If they say "no" again, offer to split the difference. But how much time will you really get? Is it an insurance thing?

2) Are they sending another for the type when you go for SIC, if so can they get a discount?

3) Try and negotiate with the training facility if you are set on getting it now. Ask the training facility if there is anybody else coming down for that type (+/- a month or so), try to pair-up, and reduce the costs.

Good luck.

 

[Lead Sled]

Save your money, be a team player, and don't set a bad precedent for those coming up behind you. You'll get into the left seat soon enough. Even if you were to get the type and the 135 checkrides would they even let you "sign for the airplane"? I see you've been flying a Citation - nice airplane. The Lear will be a much bigger challenge. Take 6 months and get to know it well; after that, the type and 135 checks will be a piece of cake.

Lead Sled

 

[RadarVector]

The real ? is Jet PIC vs. total jet time

Dead Stick,

It's been their policy not to type but rather do the SIC training. I would have to gues that their rational would be: a) It cost more b) per 135 regs, I could not act as PIC until 100 hrs in type c) they have had several pilots get the type and then split. So now when you do get the type, there is a pro-rated contract involved d) I think the insurance requires more than 100 hrs in type to be PIC and finally e) given all that, they'll save not only the difference in traning costs in the first year, but they also do not have to give me araise to captians salary in the lear. All in all, I can understand that it makes some fiscal sense for them.

I'm against PFT, but also concerned about being able to make every hour a quality hour. So, maybe the real question is not whether to pay the difference between the type and SIC training, but whether or not I should just stick to the citation where I can log PIC. The next question that comes time mind is how important is it to have jet PIC vs. total turbine time in different makes and models? It would certainly make me more marketable, but the pay raise is not all that significant and I would be on the road far more than I am now.

 

[BoilerUP]

I tell ya what....

Negotiate with the company to get the Lear type this time around somehow. Maybe you can convince them of the safety factor in having two type-rated pilots aboard? Also let them know you are a loyal employee who isn't out to screw them by doing the type-and-run thing, and wouldn't mind signing a one-year contract to prove the point.

And then give me an in on your CJ job

Best of luck!

 

[pilot1704]

with your 1800 total time~!

I would just keep flying what ever airplanes I could, total time, and PIC are important, not only jet pic.

PIC time comes more important when applying majors, nationals etc...

Commuters, regionals, or even charter with your 1800 total time, aint make any difference!

 

[Publishers]

pft

Either way --this is not PFT