Would these ideas work at NetJets?

[gordon24]

Amen to what Diesel said. I'm not getting paid by the hour, so, you can kiss that NCT on ferry flights goodbye.

As far as the leg times, the other day our brief showed 2.4 and the filed flight plan showed 3.2. Needless to say, the owners were not happy as they had based their arrival time on the brief. I even ran the numbers based on zero wind and it was still around 3.0.

 

[Thedude]

Keep in mind that the engines we are using aren't gulping anywhere near what an airliner does. Our passengers are flying to save time. They don't save time by having us slow down.

Flex or reduced power take-offs are not for reduced fuel consumption but for extending engine life. By the way, do any fracs do engine trend monitoring?

 

[CA1900]

By the way, do any fracs do engine trend monitoring?

NetJets does, yes.

 

[RCA]

SE Taxi in the 680 is possible, however you only have one primary hyrdaulic pump on the operating engine.
If the FADEC shuts the operating engine down, or the pump failed, I hope you saved at least $17 million dollars in fuel, cause you a'int stoppn.

As previously posted your lucky if you can complete the taxi check before tower is calling you with a T/O clearance. Even in LGA I once had a 3 minute taxi, you know becuase we have priority over the airlines, thanks in part to our happy champagne sipping excecutive. REF. CNN Cheers.

 

[Fozzy]

I would love to see single engine taxi (provided the AFM would allow it). I think we should try and look at ways to save what we can in fuel. Why not do what airlines do and taxi on one. If we access the ramp and movement area and can safely taxi out or into a ramp on one engine, it would save a little.

The other thing that might be possibel is doing flex takeoffs as do the airlines. We can at least do these on 91 repo flights. If climb gradients and runway conditions are met as in the airline world, why not put in an exaggerated temp in the FMS PERF page so that it actually lowers the setting given to N1.

Does anyone think these are possible in our operations? Just trying to think of ways to save some fuel since ever bit helps, even if we do not pay for it.

$Why?$

 

[FLYLOW22]

Amen to what Diesel said. I'm not getting paid by the hour, so, you can kiss that NCT on ferry flights goodbye.

As far as the leg times, the other day our brief showed 2.4 and the filed flight plan showed 3.2. Needless to say, the owners were not happy as they had based their arrival time on the brief. I even ran the numbers based on zero wind and it was still around 3.0.

Always go by the flight plan time. The brief contains only static cruise times and sometimes reflects a different fleet speed/time altogether.

 

[acaTerry]

I asked about the single engine taxi possibilities in 2002. The answer I got was that "many of the planes we fly do not have nose wheels designed for SE taxiing."

I guess it causes damage to the wheels and bearings.

FLEX takeoffs... I'd love it.

Oh you kuh-rayzee CE750 guys! :laugh: Life in the 400...no SE taxi for 2 reasons:
1) No tiller
2) We'd need 97% N1 to make the thing strat moving, much less turn

Flex takeoffs...geez, the thing barely wants to lumber off the ground with full power as it is.

Don't you guys beat our gradient with ONE engine running?

 

[flyipilot]

Thanks for the responses, I have to admit that I did not think of planes without a tiller for SE taxi. I asked about these things in my past week recurrent class and they stated that they have looked at SE taxi in the past but like many of you have stated, it can be tough in the tight spots we operate in. I think it should be an option for tiller equiped planes on larger less congested ramps. As for flex take offs, he said they are looking at it and like the idea but it costs a lot to have airport analysis charts done for each plane and for each airport. So, for a company hesitant on getting paperless charts, I am sure a flex chart is not even a thought. Just ideas to try and save what we can. They did mention at recurrent that the company really is looking for ways to save fuel and those costs even though we pass them on to the customer.

Some other things mentioned in recurrent were: 1)Hiring between 450-600 next year. The 600 will be a tough challenge and a lot depends on sim avail. 2) New blackberry stuff coming in first part of year including a new page to look at your schedule 24 hours out. Not to be used for anything other than planning. They said they are tired of getting calls everyday about tomorrows schedule. But, they have the ability to turn it off individually for those that call and use it as a way to get out of trips, etc... 3) We are growing but, I do not want to give out any specifics on this board. We are doing very well!

 

[skiandsurf]

On the same thought of changes and improvements at NJs, with this weather this week, seems like some pilots ar confused about de-icing procedures. It would be nice to have a "de-icing checklist", instead of guys making stuff up as they go.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Oh you kuh-rayzee CE750 guys! :laugh: Life in the 400...no SE taxi for 2 reasons:
1) No tiller
2) We'd need 97% N1 to make the thing start moving, much less turn

Flex takeoffs...geez, the thing barely wants to lumber off the ground with full power as it is.

Don't you guys beat our gradient with ONE engine running?

I'm a recovering X pilot, not an active one. imp:

I am all too familiar with the missing tiller these days.

And no, the X couldn't beat your SE climb gradient with one motor inop... it could do it with BOTH motors inop!!!! :nuts: :nuts:

 

[NJA Capt]

...he said they are looking at it and like the idea but it costs a lot to have airport analysis charts done for each plane and for each airport.

It is very doubtful that this will ever happen. Airlines fly the same planes to the same dozen airports. We fly all the 15 types to 5000 different airports. Airport analysis isn't practical on this scale.

They did mention at recurrent that the company really is looking for ways to save fuel and those costs even though we pass them on to the customer.

Not ferrying two planes opposite directions between the same two cities at the same time would help. (And you were worried about wasting 200# taxiing for 5 min )

...the other day our brief showed 2.4 and the filed flight plan showed 3.2.

You can't go by the brief. The brief flight times are based on the contract aircraft/zero wind, not the one doing the trip/forecast winds. It sounds like it was a X trip that could be done in 2.4 and yours needed 3+.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

My airline has been cheap. We do only fly 2 types that need airport analysis, but we also do fly all over the place (N. America and the Caribbean).

We have analysis for all the runways at all the airports we go to.

It seems like if we do, it wouldn't be impractical for NetJets.

cliff
GRB

 

[SDCFI]

Flexjet uses APG as well. You mean you NJA guys have to get the manual out and crunch numbers when it gets tight? That must get old after awhile. Every takeoff for us is a "Flex" takeoff. Get it? Sorry. This will be my first winter with Flexjet, so tips in deicing would help me too. What do you do when you're in TEB with the usual delays and it's snowing and you don't know when you'll get released? Just wait on the ramp until they tell you you'll be next? Sounds fun (sarcasm on). Seems like assumed temperature takeoffs would be easy in DEEC or FADEC equipped aircraft. In the Lear 45 the DEEC already sets TO pwr using current conditions (temp, alt, etc). All you'd need to do is have an FMS input to override the current temp and put in a higher one. It would work great for us with APG, because that shows you right there how hot it can be at your current weight and still depart. Just plug that temp into the computer and voila! It's probably not really that easy, but a boy can dream can't he?

 

[acaTerry]

I'm a recovering X pilot, not an active one. imp:

I am all too familiar with the missing tiller these days.

And no, the X couldn't beat your SE climb gradient with one motor inop... it could do it with BOTH motors inop!!!! :nuts: :nuts:

Frankly, I don't miss the tillers.

The 400 seems to be a big reunion of former X pilots. :beer: