WMD and Hussein sons parallels

[enigma]

The media and the left have spent the better part of three months attempting to convince everyone that, since we had not found any WMD, they must not have existed.

Well, finding Hussein, his henchmen, and his sons was most likely a little more pressing than finding any WMD.

I think that there is a parallel here, There were WMD existant in Iraq prior to Feb, and there were Husseins existant in Iraq prior to Feb. There are Husseins existant in Iraq post Feb (proven yesterday) and I think that it follows that the existance of WMD will be proven as well.

If you think about it, finding a person is probably easier than finding an object. A person needs food and shelter and most likely will be exposed to other people in the course of obtaining such. A vial of anthrax can exist in an undiscovered underground bunker with no attention. I.E., the person is quite likely to be seen and ratted on(for thirty million), where the vial of chemical could lay undiscovered for decades. A person is basically undisguisable, whereas a chemical can be labeled almost anything and most people are non the wiser. For example, without opening the bottle, who could tell the difference between rubbing alcohol and Hydrogen Peroxide?

If it took four months to find humans, beings who logic says are much easier to find, then I think that it is quite reasonable to think that the WMD will be found. We need to remember, Iraq is still a War Zone, regardless of what President Bush said three months ago, and that prudence dictates that we protect our troops first, and search for WMD later. I would rather let the WMD go undiscovered than I would accept the two a day deaths of American Sons.

I'm not in country and have no contacts who are there, but I can imagine that we do not have total control of every square inch of Iraq. Until we do have control, and quite possibly dig up every square inch, we will not have a definite answer as to the existance of WMD.

regards,
enigma

 

[VampyreGTX]

Like I always said to my friends and family members whenever they said "we haven't found the WMD's yet, must mean their not there!' I just replied with. Give me ONE barrel of anthrax and give me 12 years out in the desert in Arizona to hide it. Then send in the troops to find it. I wonder how 'easy' it'd be. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack with the needle being camoflauged as well...

 

[Chas]

amazing thing...

Dick Gephart made a speech today and did not even mention the demise of the Huseins. I will expect the liberals on this board to do the same Come on guys lets hear it for the military and our Commander in chief!!( in that order)

 

[Vavso]

ooops!

n/t

 

[jarhead]

Regarding WMD

I always like to throw back into the face of my liberal acquaintances the following "parallel" argument. When they try to convince me that the war was a fraud, as there never were any WMD found, I ask them if this logic prevails in their mind also.

"Since Osama bin Laden has never been found, he never existed". "Since Saddam Hussein, has not been found, he also must not exist"

That usually shut's 'em up with a "case closed" argument.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

Re: Regarding WMD

I always like to throw back into the face of my liberal acquaintances the following "parallel" argument. When they try to convince me that the war was a fraud, as there never were any WMD found, I ask them if this logic prevails in their mind also.

"Since Osama bin Laden has never been found, he never existed". "Since Saddam Hussein, has not been found, he also must not exist"

That usually shut's 'em up with a "case closed" argument.

Thats one of Rumsfeld's greatest spins to date.

No one is talking about a small vial of antharax or a barrel of VX nerve gas, the administration said there were hundreds of tons of this stuff, fighter jets equipped with WMD's, unmanned drones ready to rain poison gasses on New York, a Nuclear arsenal in less than 3 years, only 45 minutes to launch a chemical attack on Isreal, illegal SCUDS (that they lied and said were launched only to retract later!).

Uday and Qusai are dead (good riddance), the troops did an excellent job, but it would have been better for the Iraqi's to do ithemselves.

 

[jarhead]

Let's see now.....Saddam needs to eat, move around and avoid detection by millions of Iraqis who are aware of a 25 million dollar reward on his head, making audio tapes for El Jazzara to release from time to time, and is the most recognizable person on the planet.......and we still can't find him. Conclusion: He does not, and never has, existed. Just like Niel Armstrong walking on the moon, it is all a Hollywood fabrication. Just like the parallel case for not finding WMD that even Bill Clinton just stated on Larry King, were never found during his administration. Yup. Just "a massive right wing conspiracy", as Hillary once said to Matt Lauer.

 

[jarhead]

From s.o.sJTB.....quote: "Uday and Qusai are dead (good riddance), the troops did an excellent job, but it would have been better for the Iraqi's to do ithemselves."

Two questions. Why? and How?

Which Iraqui army should have taken out the two "kids"?

What barracks arethose Iraqi troops in, and where are their tanks and helicopter gunships that 200 U.S. infantry troops used in the six hour siege? Oh, that's right, I forgot. WE DESTROYED THEM!

Look, the Iraqi people had decades to try to get rid of these despots. No success. Just how would you propose the Iraqi people get rid of the vermin.

I am sure if you do a google search on the web, you could find an application to join "The Flat Earth Society"

 

[KickSave]

Re: Regarding WMD

I always like to throw back into the face of my liberal acquaintances the following "parallel" argument. When they try to convince me that the war was a fraud, as there never were any WMD found, I ask them if this logic prevails in their mind also.

"Since Osama bin Laden has never been found, he never existed". "Since Saddam Hussein, has not been found, he also must not exist"

That usually shut's 'em up with a "case closed" argument.

Jarhead, that parallel is really kinda silly. We had and continue to have proof of the existence of OBL and SH, via verified video or audio tapes. no one disputes that OBL or SH existed, ever, so that anaology stops right there. We don't need to locate them to know they existed.

But the WMD are not nearly as self evident. We had UN inspectors in there, they didn't find anything, but we "assumed" they were hidden. We had no credible intelligence telling us exactly what they had and where it was, but we assumed they must have had something. We now still haven't found any of these "things" but we still assume they existed. We are told they are still hidden. It's like believing in ghosts - we can't see them, we can't prove they exist, but we believe they are real. We knew SH had these weapons in 1991, but we oversaw the destruction of most all of them, and since then we have very sketchy evidence of him actually being able to rebuild any of them. But we assume he has done just that, without verifying it.

The better parallel is that since it is being discovered how badly the administration botched the "He's trying to buy nukes" report, that there are parallels to them botching the rest of the "threat of WMD" justification that was used for the war.

How many people acutally belive that the deputy NSA, Stephen Hadley, #2 to Condi Rice, simply "forgot" to forward memos from the CIA director himself to Rice/Bush that the CIA reports should not be included in the SOTU adress becuase they weren't substantiated.... on THREE separate occasions? What kind of incompitence would that require? The only believable answer is he's willing to take the fall for Bush on this one. As more comes out, we'll see just how credible this administration is. Stay tuned.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

From s.o.sJTB.....quote: "Uday and Qusai are dead (good riddance), the troops did an excellent job, but it would have been better for the Iraqi's to do ithemselves."

Two questions. Why? and How?

Which Iraqui army should have taken out the two "kids"?

What barracks arethose Iraqi troops in, and where are their tanks and helicopter gunships that 200 U.S. infantry troops used in the six hour siege? Oh, that's right, I forgot. WE DESTROYED THEM!

Look, the Iraqi people had decades to try to get rid of these despots. No success. Just how would you propose the Iraqi people get rid of the vermin.

I am sure if you do a google search on the web, you could find an application to join "The Flat Earth Society"

Jarhead...an uprising or a revolution dosent only occur with millitary force, look at history and you can see that plenty of dictators have been overthrown by the people they oppressed. The Iraqi people need a government that represents their intrests, not the interests of Bechtel and Halliburton.

 

[jarhead]

KickSave

Of course the parallel is silly. It was meant to be. It also points out how "silly" the argument is that because the WMD of Chemical, and biological have not yet been found, that it's all a big lie. A nuclear "program" did also "exist" I will be the first to agree, that there was not a live, ready to launch, nuke in the possession of Iraq. The "Yellow Cake" may or may not have been "attempted" to be purchased by Saddam, but the Brits still stand by their intelligence, that an attempt to procure uranium oxide from Niger, happened. That the procurement was not successful, does not necessarily negate that British intel.

If America waited for ALL its intelligence to be verified as 100% irrefutable, we would indeed be under attack in our homeland to a far more catastrophic attack than 9-11. As Bill Clinton just said, the president has to make judgement calls all the time, and to expect that every iota of reports to the president always had every "T" crossed and "I" dotted, is not a realistic expectation.

Mistakes can, and will happen, but to characterize every mis-step, as an overt "lie" to the world, seems to be a little "harsh"

That African uranium part of the threat to America by Iraq, was but one piece of Hundreds of evidentiary findings, and the behavior of the Saddam government in stonewalling U.N. inspection efforts only lends credence to the wisdom of taking down this evil regime. They were a threat to the U.S. and a threat to the region.
They no longer are, and that's good enough for me.

 

[jarhead]

s.o.sJTB

"Jarhead...an uprising or a revolution dosent only occur with millitary force, look at history and you can see that plenty of dictators have been overthrown by the people they oppressed. The Iraqi people need a government that represents their intrests, not the interests of Bechtel and Halliburton."

Hate to burst your bubble here. Yes, successful revolutions do happen, from our own, to more recent examples in Romainia, where the people dragged Nicolea Chowceshcue(sp) out and shot him in the head, along with his wife. They are not always successful though, and that's ok with me.....but not when MY COUNTRY is at risk. I don't ever want to have our security dependent on the whims or bravery of the citizenry of a third world country, or to an ineffective debating society like the UN, whose members are comprised of no one you or I cast any votes for. I trust and rely on MY government to protect MY interests, not the government of French, Germany, Russia, Ivory Coast, or any other. I welcome allies to this countries efforts at security, but lacking that, our elected officials are mandated by our constitution to protect our land from all enemies.......not leave it up to a bogus outfit like the U.N. and Kofie Anan.