With all the mainline mergers...

[DX Rick]

DAL/NWA
The possibility of UAL/AAA and then the idea of CAL and AA.
I can see the majors wanting to do Flow-Throughs with the regionals.....with the addition of flow-backs because of all the furloughs that will take place?

Agree?
Or Agree to Disagree?

 

[Erlanger]

DAL/NWA
The possibility of UAL/AAA and then the idea of CAL and AA.
I can see the majors wanting to do Flow-Throughs with the regionals.....with the addition of flow-backs because of all the furloughs that will take place?

Agree?
Or Agree to Disagree?

Put the Kool-Aid down. Are you kidding? Disagree! Never happen!

 

[DX Rick]

Put the Kool-Aid down. Are you kidding? Disagree! Never happen!

With all the furloughs that will happen, you don't think the mainline guys would sign such an agreement to "protect" their guys?

 

[Metro752]

Is it worth the risk?

 

[pianoman]

I think it should only happen if the regional is completely on board.

Further, it should be equal, IOW, tie the number of pilots who can flow back to the number of pilots who can flow up.

I can understand why a lot of people don't want a flow through.

 

[thepotato232]

I'm sure mainline might offer a "flowthrough", but just ask an Eagle pilot how that works out when things get ugly in the industry. We might see massive flowback or perhaps another J4J-type Faustian deal, but don't think for a second that the purpose of any of these deals would be to benefit the regional pilots.

 

[Airline Driver]

No Way would this work. Look at eagle, No flo-though for the eagle group, but yet flo-back for the American guys. Not sure if it is still set up that way for them or not. Not a very fair scenario for the Eagle group.

 

[wms]

Flow throughs have been bad enough in the past that I don't think they would go over. But if furloughs become imminent expect offers for stapling the WOs.

 

[CptMurf]

On the NWA side... XJ and Compass both already have flow through agreements. Compass's was negotiated in/with their contract (which was negotiated by the mainline MEC during BK). XJ's was negotiated as a side letter after being purchased by mainline. Neither can flow up until after 30 months of service, which means only the top XJ guy/gals can flow at this point.

XJ's letter came with flow down protections, as people flow up a phatom seniority list position is created for a flow back. Only the same number that flow up can flow back.(Lesson learned from AE's flow through) At this point, I think that number is between 20-30. If they do flow back, they are Captains at year one seniority/longevity, essentially street captain. They do not have to be the same person that flowed up.

 

[rickair7777]

On the NWA side... XJ and Compass both already have flow through agreements. Compass's was negotiated in/with their contract (which was negotiated by the mainline MEC during BK). XJ's was negotiated as a side letter after being purchased by mainline. Neither can flow up until after 30 months of service, which means only the top XJ guy/gals can flow at this point.

XJ's letter came with flow down protections, as people flow up a phatom seniority list position is created for a flow back. Only the same number that flow up can flow back.(Lesson learned from AE's flow through) At this point, I think that number is between 20-30. If they do flow back, they are Captains at year one seniority/longevity, essentially street captain. They do not have to be the same person that flowed up.

So do Compass guys essentially have DAL numbers now? How is THAT going to work?

 

[CptMurf]

So do Compass guys essentially have DAL numbers now? How is THAT going to work?

Both XJ and Compass flows require 30 months on property to flow. No one at Compass has the time to flow yet. There have been 20-30 flow from XJ to NWA, which will have DAL numbers as the lists are merged. What happens with the flow agreements post merger, who knows, but that is what has been happening at NWA pre merger.

Neither has mainline seniority number until class date at NWA. I believe Compass is stating their flow preference when they are hired. XJ is bidding flow preference a couple of months before a projected class date.

 

[DoinTime]

If they do flow back, they are Captains at year one seniority/longevity, essentially street captain.

I thought I remember seeing that flow backs assumed the phantom seniority spot at the top of the list where the flow up left it. Generally near the top of the list.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

expect to see 50 seaters get parked

 

[CptMurf]

I thought I remember seeing that flow backs assumed the phantom seniority spot at the top of the list where the flow up left it. Generally near the top of the list.

Just re-read the side letter and seniority lists, so this info is up to date and accurate. You're right they will backflow into the phantom "flow" positions. 4 positions open in the top 100. 13 positions open in the top 125. These are the only ones that have flowed, although some have not left for class yet. (first groups can be held for up to 3 months, but with a NWA number...don't know how these will turn out if classes are cancelled) These 13 are the only flow-backs that we can accept if the merger sends anyone backward.

 

[TAWS]

expect to see 50 seaters get parked

If they raise prices, these might be the only things left that they can fill!

 

[CopilotDoug]

DAL/NWA
The possibility of UAL/AAA and then the idea of CAL and AA.
I can see the majors wanting to do Flow-Throughs with the regionals.....with the addition of flow-backs because of all the furloughs that will take place?

Agree?
Or Agree to Disagree?

Absolutely possible. Look at Compass. Everybody was creaming their pants over that deal because it had a flow through with NWA. Will that contract be worthless after the merger? Potentially.