Will Netjets ever order airplanes from Bombardier?

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I always had the understanding that RTS approached them about buying aircraft at discounted prices as we do with everyone else. He was told that they sell enough airplanes at retail and refused to negotiate prices with us. The story I was told was that RTS told them after that that NJ would never buy from Bombardier as long as he was in control.

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Loyalty

Reminds me of 2 famous supplier loyalty situations -- both involving McDOnalds and Ray Kroc (its founder).

When Kroc first went into business in the 50s, he needed 30 days credit for a few hundred dollars to buy paper cups. He went to Lilly and they would not give him credit. Sweethart cups did. They have since served billions and billions of burgers and have needed even more cups -- none to come from Lilly (I may have the 2 companies reversed).

2nd situation. From the 50s until about 1973 McDonalds served Heinz ketchup exclusively. In about 1973 there was a tomato shortage and therefore a ketchup shortage. Heinz cut off McDs saying it was more important to service the Mom & Pop diners. McDs has nt served Heinz ketchup since. For the past 20+ years, Heinz has a team of 3-5 executives whose sole job is to win back the McD's account. They have not been successful.

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UCLAbruins08-03-2007 07:57 PM
Will Netjets ever order airplanes from Bombardier?

I'm wondering why Netjets doesn't look at Bombardier. Any particular reason? Will they ever offer a Bombardier aircraft to their owners?

AirWillie08-03-2007 08:39 PMQuote:
Originally Posted by UCLAbruins (Post 208552)
I'm wondering why Netjets doesn't look at Bombardier. Any particular reason? Will they ever offer a Bombardier aircraft to their owners?

Bombardier owns Flexjet.

UCLAbruins08-04-2007 04:29 AMQuote:
Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 208573)
Bombardier owns Flexjet.

NJ operates Cessnas (citation shares) and Hawkers (flight ops). I don't know, just curious

NJA Capt08-04-2007 06:47 AMThis question is better posed to Bombardier. NetJets (then called Executive Jet Aviation) was started with Lear 23s. EJA bought 10 of the first 12 Learjets ever produced. They then went on to teach the FAA how to administer type rides in corporate aircraft. EJA operated Learjets until the mid-80s when the fractional ownership model was conceived. We know that Bombardier was approached about supplying new aircraft, but it seems that Bombardier wasn't "interested." The Lears were quickly replaced with Cessna products and Bombardier products have not been a consideration since.

Flexjet wasn't a consideration. Flexjet (Business Jet Solutions)was started in 1995 as part of a AMR/Bombardier deal. The NetJets program was founded in 1986 and EJA was started in 1965.

http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1048972/

satchip08-04-2007 08:31 AMA NetJets captain told me Bombardier won't sell them aircraft. He said they tried to by Challengers and Bombardier said no dice.

jtf56008-04-2007 08:44 AMThe captain is wrong. NJA never went for the Challenger- they tried to buy Lears. Santulli is all about loyalty (we still use First Aviation in TEB- about the worst customer service anywhere at our busiest airport). Lear/ Bombardier wouldn't do business when EJA needed them to get started in the fractional world and now NJA will not do business with them. I think Challengers are some good airplanes, but NJA will buy aircraft from the competition until Santulli and maybe even his successor step down- unless Berkshire Hathaway decides to buy Bombardier which is unlikely.

UCLAbruins08-04-2007 09:55 AMQuote:
Originally Posted by jtf560 (Post 208767)
The captain is wrong. NJA never went for the Challenger- Lear/ Bombardier wouldn't do business when EJA needed them to get started in the fractional world and now NJA will not do business with them. I think Challengers are some good airplanes, but NJA will buy aircraft from the competition until Santulli and maybe even his successor step down- unless Berkshire Hathaway decides to buy Bombardier which is unlikely.

Very good point you make. I wonder if Bombardier now regrets not doing business with NJ. Probably not they seem to be doing ok.

Would be nice to see the Challenger-300 wearing Netjets colors sometime in the future, but I don't think it'll happen. Specially since the Falcon 2000EX does the job just as good, and NJ has a bunch of those on order.

cheers

jmack08-04-2007 11:01 AMwrong about the 601's at netjets. The reason NJA doesn't and never will have such aircraft is due to Santulli's memory. He wanted to start the program with Lears and was basically laughed at and was told what a crazy idea his was. Many many billions later worth of cessna's..........
Santulli years ago in CMH at a hangar talk told us about exec coming to CMH to ask him what specs he needs in a plane and that they would make it for him, he said he was happy to send tham back to Canada with their tail between their legs as they did to him in the mid 80's

jmack08-04-2007 11:02 AMQuote:
Originally Posted by UCLAbruins (Post 208807)
Very good point you make. I wonder if Bombardier now regrets not doing business with NJ. Probably not they seem to be doing ok.

Would be nice to see the Challenger-300 wearing Netjets colors sometime in the future, but I don't think it'll happen. Specially since the Falcon 2000EX does the job just as good, and NJ has a bunch of those on order.

cheers

Not to mention the G200 does it for 5 mil less and a liitle over half the operating cost

GauleyPilot08-04-2007 04:57 PMQuote:
Originally Posted by jmack (Post 208838)
wrong about the 601's at netjets. The reason NJA doesn't and never will have such aircraft is due to Santulli's memory. He wanted to start the program with Lears and was basically laughed at and was told what a crazy idea his was. Many many billions later worth of cessna's..........
Santulli years ago in CMH at a hangar talk told us about exec coming to CMH to ask him what specs he needs in a plane and that they would make it for him, he said he was happy to send tham back to Canada with their tail between their legs as they did to him in the mid 80's

ha ha

The classic lesson of always trying to remember that the face you laugh in today is connected to the butt you have to kiss tomorrow.

jetlag708-04-2007 10:36 PMQuote:
Originally Posted by GauleyPilot (Post 208946)
ha ha

The classic lesson of always trying to remember that the face you laugh in today is connected to the butt you have to kiss tomorrow.

Not too surprising when you consider that Mr. Santulli (NJA Boss) is an Italian from Brooklyn.... need I say more???

Loyalty is rewarded handsomely, betrayal is punished severely.