Why is it that no one addresses the afte

[afar1]

Why is it that no one addresses the after hire process and the pitfalls of a 3 or 4 week fire drill training program designed around 3000 hour turbine pilots and the high rate of failure in the sim check.
The majority of pilots wash out in the oral or the sim check and that is never addressed by anyone.
Just curious?

 

[avbug]

What's your point?

Pilots can't hack it and wash out. Just as it should be.

Problem?

 

[bobbysamd]

Airline training

Why is it that no one addresses the after hire process and the pitfalls of a 3 or 4 week fire drill training program designed around 3000 hour turbine pilots and the high rate of failure in the sim check.
The majority of pilots wash out in the oral or the sim check and that is never addressed by anyone.
Just curious?

I don't know if one can say straight-across-the-board that the majority washes out. A lot depends on the individual airline. I've read here that Lakes has a high attrition rate. I've heard and read that instructors will sometimes schedule extra training periods for trainees who need a little extra help. I've also heard and read that certain, "special" trainees are pushed through programs while others with more ability are washed out.

Everyone says that airline class is like drinking out of a firehose. Everyone says you should not walk into to class cold, that you should find out which airplane you will be assigned and learn everything possible about it cold long before you go to class. People also say that you should learn the flows and know the checklists long before class.

What else is there to say? You have to be prepared long before your first day at class. That's true, even in lower-echelon jobs, such as some flight schools. I was an "outside" hire in all my jobs. I recall asking to be sent checklists immediately after being hired at at least one job so I could prepare, and it paid off.

 

[UpNDownGuy]

Baloney

There isn't an airline in the country that washes out "the majority" of pilots in their training program. The FAA would shut them down in a JFK minute.

 

[avbug]

I don't think his statement said, or implied, that the majority of applicants wash out. I think his statement was that the majority of those who do wash out, do so in the oral or sim. That makes sense, as there's precious little elsewhere that they could wash out.

A couple of months ago I went to a sim training center for recurrent on a particular type. I went down with an individual who has more time in type than I do, and is currently flying that type. We were partnered in the sim. For the oral portion, we were handed a series of questions and answers, and told that the examine would ask those questions verbatim, and that he would expect the answers that came with the questions we were given.

Pretty straightforward, one would think. One would think...

After five days, my sim buddy and I reported one morning for a session of ora interrogation...questioning. The examiner elected to visit with us both. He had the same sheet we had been given, and asked questions directly from the sheet, verbatim, just as we had been told. Now I had studied the material before I went. I studied it while I was there, as usual. I even did what I normally do; I made up 3X5 cards for each question each answer and drilled myself on them. I don't like to walk into a question and answer session and not be prepared.

My sim buddy didn't do this. I have no idea what he did, but he wasn't able to properly answer hardly a single question. He isn't stupid. He isn't a stranger to that airplane. But he barely limped through the oral, and ultimately failed the checkride. He passed several days later; he was given retraining and retested with a satisfactory grade.

Pilots who don't study or prepare, tend to fail. Yes, there's a lot of material. However, the company is expecting to hire professionals who behave as such, and who prepare and who achieve. If a pilot isn't interested enough in being prepared, and in meeting the requirements of the job then it will certainly show up in the training and evaluation program.

 

[350DRIVER]

Very well put avbug, I don't think I could have said it any better myself. It must have been from all those hard flight checks that you did with Markette over the years. See how one can change a person's life for the better and make them perform to the utmost of his ability.


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(no sarcasm intended)