Where to train ICT or TUS (Lear)?

[Gearmunky]

Hey ya'll, need to know where to go for Lear school. Which is better? Any preference?

Appreciate the help, and if anyone else is going out there in July, first round is on me.

Thanks,

Gear

 

[AA717driver]

No brainer. TUS. The women are hotter, the beer colder and the food better. Who cares about the quality of the training... TC

 

[On Your Six]

Which Lear type? Tucson will be hotter in the summer - both temperature and women...

 

[Lear Lackey]

I believe you could also go to ATL. Great view of the airport from the Mariott there.

 

[K.V.]

Can't speek for ICT, but as far as trainning is concerned TUS is one of the best I've been to. Nice facility, good equiptment, and oh yah... the ladies aren't to bad to look at either.

 

[LR60BOY]

I did my 60 type in TUS. I won't go back. ATL is by far the better school. Great instructors.

 

[K.V.]

I did my 60 type in TUS. I won't go back.

What didn't you like? (out of curiosity)

 

[CorpLearDriver]

Hey ya'll, need to know where to go for Lear school. Which is better? Any preference?

Appreciate the help, and if anyone else is going out there in July, first round is on me.

FSI no longer has a LR-35 sim in ICT. They moved it to ATL and it is only a level B sim. FSI TUS has a level B and C LR-35 sim. They also scrapped the LR-35 sim at PBI. If you are going to do the training under FAR 135, go to TUS.

Other Sim inventory at each location

ATL: LR-45, LR-60, LR-31, Boeing 717, BBJ-2, (5 or 6) CRJs and maybe others (all level D)
TUS: LR-45, (2) LR-60, LR-31, LR-55, LR-20 series (all except the -55 & -20 are level D) & Challenger 601 and 604 sims (level D)
PBI: LR-55 (level C), and Skykorskis

I train in TUS because it is home. I sent one of my captains to ATL earlier this month (because it was closer to home for him) and he said the training was good but the sim in TUS is better. All the centers share the same coursewear. The ATL center is bigger than TUS. July in either location is going to be very hot.

Simuflite also has LR-35 training and co-located at it's DAL facility is Bombardier and they have LR-60, LR-45 and LR-31 sims. Simcom has something at ORL or LAL.

 

[LR60BOY]

What didn't you like? (out of curiosity)

It started with the middle of night sim time. Yes, I do want some cheese with that whine.

My checkride was a two day affair. Oral the first afternoon and sim the next day.

The oral was pretty straight forward with the exception of one scenario based question. The examiner, no names mentioned, and I butted heads as to what we would do with the airplane, i.e. land or continue. I elected to land the airplane, he wanted me to continue across the U.S. with a puking engine. That attitude continued the next day in the sim.

Then on the day of the sim eval, I got a phone call from the Program Manager and was told "due to a failure with the previous crew, we need to back you up about an hour and a half. We are going to retrain and retest before you start." What happened to making him wait?

As far as groundschool was concerned, the instructor would have rather told his A-7 / F-18 stories from the military than teach us the airplane that we paid cubic dollars to learn.

After I had gotten home from training, my sim instructor called to see how things went. He then informed me that our examiner was one of two in the center that you "do not" want to take a ride with. From what I hear that person is still there.

 

[Lead Sled]

I went to TUS for Lear initial and 6-month recurrents for 8 years. Definately good training. While you're there be sure and hit the Pima Air Museum - it's worth spending the better part of a day (at least) looking around the place.

'Sled

 

[CapnVegetto]

LR-25/35/55 at Simcom in Orlando. Went there for LR-35 recurrent 2 years ago. Decent training, plenty to do in Orlando. Nice hotel deals also. Simcom is a lot cheaper than FSI also.

 

[Gearmunky]

Wow! Thanks for all the replies, ICT did not tell me that they no longer have a 35 sim. I was leaning towards Tuscon anyway, but in the middle of July I was a little hesitant. My CP just got back from there and said it was great, but still left me the option. I guess I'll call them tomorrow and see if they have any slots open.

Gonna miss two good weeks of fishin' over this so I hope it works out. Then again.....I ain't getting paid to fish

I'll definitely check out that museum if I have some time off, any other reccommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again,

Gear

 

[fly4kix]

I did my 35 type in ICT last Nov. not a bad place but not much other some strip malls and such close to the airport.

TUS is hot, but more to do and pretty country to look at. I too was not aware that the 35 sim was gone from ICT.
Ihave done a recurrent at TUS and had a great time.
If you are doing 60 avoid TUS, horrible sim instructors there(no names) and ATL is by far the way to go

 

[davidhigbie]

Look forward to meeting you when you're down here. I am an intern at the TUS center, currently doing my 31a initial. Any specific questions, please let me know...if I dont know, I can probably find out. Yes, it is pretty hot right now, but, as they say, its a dry heat!

 

[Rick1128]

Too bad they moved the sim out of ICT. In my opinion it was the Best for the 20's and 35/36. The facility lived those aircraft. Much more knowledge that TUS at the time. Some of the ICT instructors have moved to TUS. Still it is great to be able to walk through the factory and see them made.

 

[CorpLearDriver]

Look forward to meeting you when you're down here. I am an intern at the TUS center, currently doing my 31a initial. Any specific questions, please let me know...if I dont know, I can probably find out. Yes, it is pretty hot right now, but, as they say, its a dry heat!

Wait until about mid-July. Then it won't be so dry for the next two months. But it is still gonna be dryer than Florida.

 

[Whale Rider]

If ICT Lear is the same as ICT Citation school, you won't have to worry about any distractions........ICT is very conducive to training.......you can study meditation there if you want.

 

[Flying Illini]

I'll definitely check out that museum if I have some time off, any other reccommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again,

Gear

You definitely won't have time to do all of this stuff unless you stay for several extra days, but it's something to keep in mind.
Much of the stuff below is all outdoor activities but they are worth it. Take a backpack with some water. Nothing is an all day tour, each is what you make of it. All of it is very cool, especially the outdoors activities.

PIMA Air Museum (as previously mentioned): It's an all day activity, be sure to take the boneyard tour.

Tucson Mountain Park: A huge sonoran desert natural preserve. It contains some amazing hiking as well as some neat areas that you can scramble up the rocks and get a spectacular view of the park and sonoran desert. There are tons of Saguaro catcti out here...incredible...especially when they are in bloom...which they won't be if you go in July.

Saguaro National Park: Located by driving through some of the above park, this place is phenomenal. Definitely worth your time...even if it is just to visit the visitor center and take a short walk on one of the loop trails (again, take water...and a camera!).

Mt. Lemmon: Talk about a place of contrasts. You can leave the desert floor and drive 25 miles while climbing 6000' above Tuscon...the temp drops 20-30 degrees and the environment is completely different. Coniferous forests as well as a large number of aspen trees populate this beautiful mountain. Even the drive is incredible. Mt. Lemmon is located in Coronado National Forest. You would think that you were in the mountains of Colorado, not southern Arizona. Mt. Lemmon also has a ski area if you are there in the winter...not a bad place to stop and look around in the summer either.

Tucson is one of my favorite destinations. The more I go there the more I love the place, probably because of the numerous outdoor activities that can be had within a close distance.

The drive to the parks is only about 10-15 minutes from nearby the airport.
The drive to Mt. Lemmon was closer to 45 minutes, but you slow down once you get into the mountains and the speed drops...but the temperature drop sure feels good so roll the windows down and shut off the a/c!!

If you go, enjoy it...and seriously consider taking some vacation time at the end of school and stay for 3-4 days, fly your significant other or a friend in enjoy it with you. Tucson is a great place!

 

[Gearmunky]

You definitely won't have time to do all of this stuff unless you stay for several extra days, but it's something to keep in mind.
Much of the stuff below is all outdoor activities but they are worth it. Take a backpack with some water. Nothing is an all day tour, each is what you make of it. All of it is very cool, especially the outdoors activities.

PIMA Air Museum (as previously mentioned): It's an all day activity, be sure to take the boneyard tour.

Tucson Mountain Park: A huge sonoran desert natural preserve. It contains some amazing hiking as well as some neat areas that you can scramble up the rocks and get a spectacular view of the park and sonoran desert. There are tons of Saguaro catcti out here...incredible...especially when they are in bloom...which they won't be if you go in July.

Saguaro National Park: Located by driving through some of the above park, this place is phenomenal. Definitely worth your time...even if it is just to visit the visitor center and take a short walk on one of the loop trails (again, take water...and a camera!).

Mt. Lemmon: Talk about a place of contrasts. You can leave the desert floor and drive 25 miles while climbing 6000' above Tuscon...the temp drops 20-30 degrees and the environment is completely different. Coniferous forests as well as a large number of aspen trees populate this beautiful mountain. Even the drive is incredible. Mt. Lemmon is located in Coronado National Forest. You would think that you were in the mountains of Colorado, not southern Arizona. Mt. Lemmon also has a ski area if you are there in the winter...not a bad place to stop and look around in the summer either.

Tucson is one of my favorite destinations. The more I go there the more I love the place, probably because of the numerous outdoor activities that can be had within a close distance.

The drive to the parks is only about 10-15 minutes from nearby the airport.
The drive to Mt. Lemmon was closer to 45 minutes, but you slow down once you get into the mountains and the speed drops...but the temperature drop sure feels good so roll the windows down and shut off the a/c!!

If you go, enjoy it...and seriously consider taking some vacation time at the end of school and stay for 3-4 days, fly your significant other or a friend in enjoy it with you. Tucson is a great place!

Thanks dude, great post! Well I called there yesterday and they told me they have a slot open, but my sim times start at 2am I still might go, after some of my other FSI experiences I know that is, of course, subject to change.

Look forward to meeting you when you're down here. I am an intern at the TUS center, currently doing my 31a initial. Any specific questions, please let me know...if I dont know, I can probably find out. Yes, it is pretty hot right now, but, as they say, its a dry heat!

I think my CP may have flown with you while he was there, sounds like we'll need to go out for a cold one when it's all said and done