What do we know about Compass?

[fam62c]

Hi Everyone;

I'm looking for intel on Compass, anything I can learn will be good. I would like to hear from some people who work there and find out about schedules, training, the interview process, upgrade times and generally how you like the operation. I also see that that they have a 1 year pro-rated training agreement because they type you in initial training. When does the training agreement start? Is it date of hire or the start of sim time or the date of receiving the type or what?

Thanks for the info. I'm hoping to get facts and honest opinions from people who know rather than mud-slinging.

 

[Fonzi757]

Well, you should just apply at Republic and have a really nice seniority number, when Republic aquires all of Compass's aircraft.

 

[MusicMan]

Or go to Northwest so when you get furloughed in 6 months you can flow down to Compass.

 

[Airline Driver]

www.airlinepilotcentral.com. You can start there. Republic had not purchased Compass and for now that is just a rumor. Believe 1/2 of what you read on this website for starters. Would not hurt to look into both Republic and Compass if the 170/175 is the airplane you wish to fly.

 

[DrewBlows]

They don't ask for a training contract anymore. NWA can't sell Compass until a certain number of narrow body mainline aircraft are purchased. You can find out more by using the search function at the top of the screen. There are about a half dozen threads already covering these questions.

 

[flatspin7]

Surely your serious...

A compass is a device to help you determine direction but that's not important right now!

Oh and Don't call me Shirley!

 

[fam62c]

Well, you should just apply at Republic and have a really nice seniority number, when Republic aquires all of Compass's aircraft.

O.K. let's start with that, what is this based on; verifiable information with sources or rumors?

 

[fam62c]

They don't ask for a training contract anymore. NWA can't sell Compass until a certain number of narrow body mainline aircraft are purchased. You can find out more by using the search function at the top of the screen. There are about a half dozen threads already covering these questions.

Thanks for the information about the training contract, that helps. I know there are some other threads but it's tough to sift throught them all and some of it's old information. I'm looking for recent information and hoping to hear from pilots who work there so I started a new thread.

 

[BOHICAgain]

O.K. let's start with that, what is this based on; verifiable information with sources or rumors?

Its BS just because we fly the same airplane.

NWA can only sell Compass once mainline has 10 77-110 seat airplane flying revenue service. As of today no orders have been placed.

NWA has also options for 18 more 76 seat airplane and if those go to Compass, NWA will probably spin off Compass when the fleet approaches 50 airplanes.

They will probably do Pinnacle style. Make Compass go public buy shares then sell them later. NWA likes to be in control of their young so I dont see Compass being sold to another airline

 

[DoinTime]

NWA likes to be in control of their young so I dont see Compass being sold to another airline

I think the speculation is based on NWA not existing in the near future. A scenario which is highly likely and one that played out to the T with USAir and MidAtlantic with the AmWest merger .

NWA can only sell Compass once mainline has 10 77-110 seat airplane flying revenue service.

What document is this in?

 

[koepp]

If NWA Merges, the CBA still applies until ALPA agrees to modify it. Until the language below changes, CPS can't be sold (not even to the mighty RAH).


1-11 Section 1 – Recognition and Job Security

B.7.c.(7)(d) Feeder Carrier Affiliate The Company may establish a Feeder Carrier which is an Affiliate (as defined in Section 1 B.1) (Feeder Carrier Affiliate), and which operates 51–76 seat aircraft which carry the NW code designator, provided that such Feeder Carrier Affiliate operates in accordance with the following provisions of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)1' through Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)8':

B.7.c.(7)(d)1' The Feeder Carrier Affiliate operates only 50 seat aircraft (as defined in Section 1 B.7.c.(6)) and/or 51–76 seat aircraft for so long as it remains an Affiliate of the Company; and

B.7.c.(7)(d)2' The Feeder Carrier Affiliate makes all pilot positions (Captain and First Officer, including check pilots) available to Company pilots in accordance with Letter of Agreement 2006-10 (the "Flow Agreement"), before filling any such pilot positions with new hire pilots; and

B.7.c.(7)(d)3' The Feeder Carrier Affiliate recognizes ALPA as the representative of the pilots employed by the Feeder Carrier Affiliate; and

B.7.c.(7)(d)4' The Feeder Carrier Affiliate enters into a collective bargaining agreement with ALPA in accordance with the provisions of Letter of Agreement 2006-07; and

B.7.c.(7)(d)5' The Company or an Affiliate of the Company owns more than 50% of the Feeder Carrier Affiliate when it starts operating as a Feeder Carrier for the Company; and

B.7.c.(7)(d)6' Except as provided in Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)7', the Company or an Affiliate of the Company controls the Feeder Carrier Affiliate, and the Company or an Affiliate retains more than 50% of ownership of the Feeder Carrier Affiliate, and

B.7.c.(7)(d)7' If at least 10 77–110 seat aircraft have entered into active service at the Company the requirements of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)6' shall no longer be effective, provided however that the carrier (the "Feeder Carrier Successor") may nevertheless continue to operate as a Feeder Carrier under this subparagraph B.7.c.(7)(d), provided (i) the Feeder Carrier Successor remains in compliance with the provisions of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)2' and Letter of Agreement 2006-10 (the "Flow Agreement"), (ii) all pilots of the Feeder Carrier Affiliate have the right to transfer to the Feeder Carrier Successor, and (iii) the Feeder Carrier Successor is in compliance with the successorship provisions of the pilot collective bargaining agreement of the Feeder Carrier Affiliate. In the event that the foregoing requirements of this subparagraph B.7.c.(7)(d)7' are met, the 51–76 seat aircraft upper cap of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(a) shall continue to apply to the Feeder Carrier Successor, and;

B.7.c.(7)(d)8' In the event that (i) the requirements of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)7' are not met, or (ii) the rights to pilot positions or flow rights set forth in Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)2' together with Letter of Agreement 2006-10 as they may apply to the Feeder Carrier Affiliate or Feeder Carrier Successor, are modified or terminated for any reason, other than through a written agreement between the Company and Association as representative of the Company’s pilots, the maximum number of 51–76 seat aircraft permitted by Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(a) shall be reduced to the lower cap (i.e. 55).

 

[Moustache]

There is your document!!!!

 

[TAWS]

Pilots playing at being Lawyers again?????

I'm sure that there is something buried somewhere, somewhere that only Lawyers dwell that says something to the effect of "NWA reserves the right to do whatever it wants with Compass, or anyone of it's offspring, whenever it wants".
What happens if NWA is acquired by DAL (or another)? Are there provisions that cover this scenario?

Just asking, as we all know that DAL loves to own it's own feed.

 

[DashTrash400]

...and Koepp puts the smack down on RAH rumormongers with some cold hard facts!

BTW, we're flying together next month, unless you trade all your YXE hispeeds away. I'm trying to massage the schedule a bit as I've been doing that all of this month and Saskatoon is getting old!

 

[BOHICAgain]

Thanks Koepp...


Dashtrash is that what you wanted again... This month Ive only been used 6 days on reserve but im happy im getting a decent line next month tired of commuting to sit on my rear.

 

[DoinTime]

If NWA Merges, the CBA still applies until ALPA agrees to modify it. Until the language below changes, CPS can't be sold (not even to the mighty RAH).


1-11 Section 1 – Recognition and Job Security

B.7.c.(7)(d) Feeder Carrier Affiliate The Company may establish a Feeder Carrier which is an Affiliate (as defined in Section 1 B.1) (Feeder Carrier Affiliate), and which operates 51–76 seat aircraft which carry the NW code designator, provided that such Feeder Carrier Affiliate operates in accordance with the following provisions of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)1' through Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)8':

B.7.c.(7)(d)1' The Feeder Carrier Affiliate operates only 50 seat aircraft (as defined in Section 1 B.7.c.(6)) and/or 51–76 seat aircraft for so long as it remains an Affiliate of the Company; and

B.7.c.(7)(d)2' The Feeder Carrier Affiliate makes all pilot positions (Captain and First Officer, including check pilots) available to Company pilots in accordance with Letter of Agreement 2006-10 (the "Flow Agreement"), before filling any such pilot positions with new hire pilots; and

B.7.c.(7)(d)3' The Feeder Carrier Affiliate recognizes ALPA as the representative of the pilots employed by the Feeder Carrier Affiliate; and

B.7.c.(7)(d)4' The Feeder Carrier Affiliate enters into a collective bargaining agreement with ALPA in accordance with the provisions of Letter of Agreement 2006-07; and

B.7.c.(7)(d)5' The Company or an Affiliate of the Company owns more than 50% of the Feeder Carrier Affiliate when it starts operating as a Feeder Carrier for the Company; and

B.7.c.(7)(d)6' Except as provided in Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)7', the Company or an Affiliate of the Company controls the Feeder Carrier Affiliate, and the Company or an Affiliate retains more than 50% of ownership of the Feeder Carrier Affiliate, and

B.7.c.(7)(d)7' If at least 10 77–110 seat aircraft have entered into active service at the Company the requirements of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)6' shall no longer be effective, provided however that the carrier (the "Feeder Carrier Successor") may nevertheless continue to operate as a Feeder Carrier under this subparagraph B.7.c.(7)(d), provided (i) the Feeder Carrier Successor remains in compliance with the provisions of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)2' and Letter of Agreement 2006-10 (the "Flow Agreement"), (ii) all pilots of the Feeder Carrier Affiliate have the right to transfer to the Feeder Carrier Successor, and (iii) the Feeder Carrier Successor is in compliance with the successorship provisions of the pilot collective bargaining agreement of the Feeder Carrier Affiliate. In the event that the foregoing requirements of this subparagraph B.7.c.(7)(d)7' are met, the 51–76 seat aircraft upper cap of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(a) shall continue to apply to the Feeder Carrier Successor, and;

B.7.c.(7)(d)8' In the event that (i) the requirements of Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)7' are not met, or (ii) the rights to pilot positions or flow rights set forth in Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(d)2' together with Letter of Agreement 2006-10 as they may apply to the Feeder Carrier Affiliate or Feeder Carrier Successor, are modified or terminated for any reason, other than through a written agreement between the Company and Association as representative of the Company’s pilots, the maximum number of 51–76 seat aircraft permitted by Section 1 B.7.c.(7)(a) shall be reduced to the lower cap (i.e. 55).

I agree that these provisions remain intact until a successor agreement is crafted. These provisions, however, do not prevent CPZ from being dissolved and the parts sold off to another carrier. The only thing that changes without CPZ is the 76-seat limit is reduced to the low cap. The "affiliate" carrier is not required to exist per this language.

 

[DashTrash400]

Thanks Koepp...


Dashtrash is that what you wanted again... This month Ive only been used 6 days on reserve but im happy im getting a decent line next month tired of commuting to sit on my rear.

Heh, well I can't say I *wanted* another month of hispeeds but had a few specific days I needed off & line 139 fit the bill.

I'm gonna have to bid something else next month or I'm gonna end up upgrading without having seen 90% of our cities!

 

[G2T]

A scenario which is highly likely and one that played out to the T with USAir and MidAtlantic with the AmWest merger .

I disagree, it is a different scenario. Everyone compares Compass and MDA, but forgets a big difference...Compass actually has an operating certificate. MDA never did and that is part of the reason they vanished into midair.

 

[DoinTime]

I disagree, it is a different scenario. Everyone compares Compass and MDA, but forgets a big difference...Compass actually has an operating certificate. MDA never did and that is part of the reason they vanished into midair.

An operating certificate is only valuable if you need one. IF the republic group were interested in CPZ you can bet that they wouldn't want the operating certificate.

 

[CRJ_Driver]

An operating certificate is only valuable if you need one. IF the republic group were interested in CPZ you can bet that they wouldn't want the operating certificate.

You're living in a fantasy world if you really think NW has any real interest in selling CPS to RAH. NW wants to IPO CPS in the future, but merger mania may derail those plans.

In addition, according to your logic, NW has an interest in selling MES to 9E. Not going to happen either.