What companies are bidding on midwest?

[AWACO]

XJT submitted a bid but then retracted it, XJ bid but did not get past round one, AWAC is in second round. Who else is bidding on this thing? I could really see a SKYW or CHQ getting it but I have not heard anyone talking about it.

 

[Master Shake]

We didn't retract it. My understanding is we got the "thanks, but no thanks" letter. According to rumors, AWAC got it.

 

[CaptETWes]

The correct title of this thread should be what other company, besides AWAC, is left in the bidding process. Our own internal email at the end of August stated that the only companies left were AWAC and a company-to-be-named-later (if they get it). I think who is left in the bidding process is irrelevant because chances are their pilots are in the dark just as we are. It's all moot. Directly from Midwest's 3rd quarter report last week: they want to make a decision by the end of 2006.

 

[flyf15]

I heard that Pinnacle was the other airline left with AWAC. But, most of the things I hear are blantent lies. *shrug*

 

[masedogg19]

According to rumors, AWAC got it.

We keep hearing those same rumors...just not from the two most important sources...

 

[mynameisjim]

Internally we (AWAC) have been told there is a 3rd partner in discussions as well. (Check the company message board).

Keeping a second partner quiet I believe, two partners quiet I don't believe. I think the company wants people to keep quitting before the new contract decision is made.

 

[BoilerUP]

I think the company wants people to keep quitting before the new contract decision is made.

Very interesting conspiracy theory...and one I would not put past a couple people up in ATW, especially if they think they're going to lose.

Some blue airplanes & warm cookies would be a nice Christmas present for all AWAC employees though (okay, the cookies only for crewmembers).

 

[JRMANNED]

Express jet didn't get it due to thier agreement with CAL and their EWR flying. This was posted on the recorded ALPA message.

 

[Night_Flight]

Some blue airplanes & warm cookies would be a nice Christmas present for all AWAC employees though (okay, the cookies only for crewmembers).

We used to have good crewmeals back in the day. It makes me hungry when I hear owned express carriers delaying boarding until their meals are brought out to them. I am getting pretty good at scarfing down healthy airport food during our 20-minute turns! Breakfast, lunch and dinner in one 20-minute sitting.

You know, warm cookies would be much nicer. Then again, we would have to re-adjust our W&B once again due to the increasing waist line of the flight crews!

 

[DoinTime]

Here is something that isn't a rumor. The lowest bid from any carrier on the Midwest RJ flying was 30% more money per block hour than Midwest wanted to pay. They are looking for a small turn key operation for prices that are lower than most current rj carriers can produce with their current large code share agreements.

My bet is that the whole idea of an additional code share partner at Midwest is scuttled.

 

[mynameisjim]

Here is something that isn't a rumor. The lowest bid from any carrier on the Midwest RJ flying was 30% more money per block hour than Midwest wanted to pay. They are looking for a small turn key operation for prices that are lower than most current rj carriers can produce with their current large code share agreements.

My bet is that the whole idea of an additional code share partner at Midwest is scuttled.

Um, how is that not a rumor?

 

[DoinTime]

Um, how is that not a rumor?

You may be surprised to know that there are people out there who know the truth and that truth can be transfered on to other people either in whole or in part.

You can still treat it as a rumor though. I won't be put out.

 

[n757st]

Internally we (AWAC) have been told there is a 3rd partner in discussions as well. (Check the company message board).

Keeping a second partner quiet I believe, two partners quiet I don't believe. I think the company wants people to keep quitting before the new contract decision is made.

Well, I don't know if I am the only one to think this, but the key to your post is INTERNAL, but whatever, someone a while back let the cat out of the bag so I guess what does it really matter anyways anymore.

 

[mynameisjim]

You may be surprised to know that there are people out there who know the truth and that truth can be transfered on to other people either in whole or in part.

You can still treat it as a rumor though. I won't be put out.

I believe that is the definition of a rumor. Someone says they know something, and they spread it. Some rumors are true, some are not.

 

[mynameisjim]

Well, I don't know if I am the only one to think this, but the key to your post is INTERNAL, but whatever, someone a while back let the cat out of the bag so I guess what does it really matter anyways anymore.

I often agree with that, but I don't think that what I posted was any kind of proprietary information.

What do you mean when you say someone let the cat out of the bag?

 

[BoilerUP]

You may be surprised to know that there are people out there who know the truth and that truth can be transfered on to other people either in whole or in part.

I wouldn't be suprised by your analysis...but until you name/produce a credible source, by definition your information is nothing but a rumor.

 

[Espalda Mojado]

I heard that Gulfstream Airlines is looking to acquire used 50-seat jets from CHQ or XJT and bid for the Midwest flying.

How can you compete with an airline whose FO's are paying to be there?

 

[n757st]

I often agree with that, but I don't think that what I posted was any kind of proprietary information.

What do you mean when you say someone let the cat out of the bag?

I was referring to JohnnyChimpos post about a month ago that told every airline competing for this buisness that AWAC made the second round.

 

[DoinTime]

I wouldn't be suprised by your analysis...but until you name/produce a credible source, by definition your information is nothing but a rumor.

Ok...I'll give you that. Rumor to you. Fact to me.

 

[Propsync]

Here is something that isn't a rumor. The lowest bid from any carrier on the Midwest RJ flying was 30% more money per block hour than Midwest wanted to pay. They are looking for a small turn key operation for prices that are lower than most current rj carriers can produce with their current large code share agreements.

My bet is that the whole idea of an additional code share partner at Midwest is scuttled.

That's what I've kind of been thinking all along. I'm not saying we're going to end up with the 50 seaters, either. Third quarter came out, while I'm glad it was a profit, it wasn't much. If we were rolling in it and needed capacity yesterday, I bet they would have done it already. They just want to look good to the shareholders by doing what they do best: Status Quo. If we keep eeking out small profits, it's better to keep what we have than bet the farm on something that we've not tried before. Plus, what little money we are making would probably go for more 80's or a replacement of like size. If we keep the 1900's a little bit longer and get some more 328's here and there when cash is available, I think that would be the better option. I know you guys at AWis are dying for a MKE base. It still may happen, but most of us are thinking if they (ME) really wanted it, they'd already have done it.

 

[mynameisjim]

The trick that airwis might be able to provide you is the cash (loan, buy something, whatever) you want/need to do something dreamy, like replace the 80's. Worked at us air.

disclaimer --- I'm full of s**t

 

[Propsync]

Wasn't the USAir thing more about them needing money right away? I thought you guys put up the money and had something like a rider clause that said, 'If you want the money, we're going to fly for you'. If that's the case, Midwest could use some more money, but isn't dying for it. I like your disclaimer, though. I probably full of the same.

 

[Night_Flight]

My uncle is the CFO for Midwest and he said that Mesaba just recieved an official memo stating they were awarded the flying this afternoon!

NOT- I never believe anything until it's published or until we are told about it from credible sources. I have determined that people here at flightinfo do not fit into the credible category.

For someone with over 1,000 posts, you may know the "Truth". But sorry, I still don't believe. PS- I hope Mesaba pulls though.

 

[labbats]

Here is something that isn't a rumor. The lowest bid from any carrier on the Midwest RJ flying was 30% more money per block hour than Midwest wanted to pay. They are looking for a small turn key operation for prices that are lower than most current rj carriers can produce with their current large code share agreements.

My bet is that the whole idea of an additional code share partner at Midwest is scuttled.

How is this surprising seeing that their current feed is below Mesa/GoJet pay?

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/regional/skyway.html

 

[Propsync]

How is this surprising seeing that their current feed is below Mesa/GoJet pay?

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Wow, where to start. Let me guess, you're a special friend of superpilot92. The only other wonderboy that really has no concept of what's going on.

Yeah, we really sold out at the 19/32 seat market. The industry has crumbled around us and our 25 airplanes (at the time). You should have been here. Everyone was issued sunglasses for our blistering growth we were to expect.

Tell you what Einstein, compare all of the 340, Dash 8-100, Brasilla, and J41 operators on their second contract, post 9-11, etc. How did we fare?

I'm almost sorry for the rant, but I'm disgusted you would compare this pilot group to Mesa/GoJet. We haven't put any tread marks on the back of any other pilot group.

 

[pilotmyf]

How is this surprising seeing that their current feed is below Mesa/GoJet pay?

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/regional/skyway.html

Did you see the a/c they fly---numbnuts

 

[labbats]

Wow, such anger. Tell me your pay is good and I'll retract my statement. I say this with no ill will towards you and your group, but let's call a spade a spade. Your pay is awful.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Wow, such anger. Tell me your pay is good and I'll retract my statement. I say this with no ill will towards you and your group, but let's call a spade a spade. Your pay is awful.

I thinke what everyone is getting at(Since you need it spelled out). Comparing Skyway to Mesa or GJ is flat out stupid. Skyway flies 19 seat turboprops and small Do Jets. GJ flies 70 seaters. Mesa flies everything. Skyway has always been a great operation for the market they served, and their pilots are top notched. If midwest were going to buy the a/c themselves I would love to see skyway get it. I work for AWAC and live in WI. I could never hold MKE as a Capt so I will continue to commute east. If we got the flying it would help all of us over here though.

Don't diss skyway. Not even a decade ago they would'nt give most of you the time of day. From one cheese head to another, I consider the skyway guys my "brother from another mother".

 

[DoinTime]

My uncle is the CFO for Midwest and he said that Mesaba just recieved an official memo stating they were awarded the flying this afternoon!

NOT- I never believe anything until it's published or until we are told about it from credible sources. I have determined that people here at flightinfo do not fit into the credible category.

For someone with over 1,000 posts, you may know the "Truth". But sorry, I still don't believe. PS- I hope Mesaba pulls though.

Curt is an only child.

 

[Propsync]

Wow, such anger. Tell me your pay is good and I'll retract my statement. I say this with no ill will towards you and your group, but let's call a spade a spade. Your pay is awful.

My pay is great.

Labbats, I'm kind of shocked with your posts. You've got 1600 or so posts, I've seen your name around these parts, and I don't ever remember seeing you post crap like that.