Western MO Corporate

[AeroDork]

Hello everyone. Just wondering if anyone has any information on the following companies flight departments; CP's name, QOL, etc.:

Saturn of Kansas City
NPG Newspapers (St. Joseph)
Herzog Company (St. Joseph)

Thanks!

 

[TaxiDriver]

Both Saturn of KC and NPG Newspapers own Lear 45's and are managed by Executive Beechcraft at MKC. Each aircraft have a primary Captain that have worked for the aircraft owners for many, many years. The right seat position is filled by the higher seniority pilots at EB. QOL at EB is rather nice, at least 10 hard days off per month. If you don't mind starting at the bottom (Baron and King Air), you can work your way up the ladder to the jets. However, you will still be flying the Baron and King Air too.

Herzog? Do not know anything first hand. Good 'ole boy network. I think most of the pilots grew up in St Joseph, learned to fly at the local FBO, etc. They had a Westwind for many years and then got a Challenger 600. The owner has a race car......sooo, in race season, I was told that the pilots fly everyone to the race, then expected to spend all day at the track, party afterwards, then fly the boss home. Repeat week after week. In between, there is a Piper Seneca and Westwind that flies in addition to the routine aircraft maintenance.

Although this sounds a little far fetched, I was told that this job was not for the normal corporate pilot. That's why they like the local flavor.

Hope this helps.

 

[Groundpounder]

The owner has a race car......sooo, in race season, I was told that the pilots fly everyone to the race, then expected to spend all day at the track, party afterwards, then fly the boss home.

And the bad part of that is.........

 

[G100driver]

And the bad part of that is.........

That is the difference between just starting out and having a "career position." Being gone every weekend after flying all week is not the kind of job that breeds a family.

 

[HawkerF/O]

Both Saturn of KC and NPG Newspapers own Lear 45's and are managed by Executive Beechcraft at MKC. Each aircraft have a primary Captain that have worked for the aircraft owners for many, many years. The right seat position is filled by the higher seniority pilots at EB. QOL at EB is rather nice, at least 10 hard days off per month. If you don't mind starting at the bottom (Baron and King Air), you can work your way up the ladder to the jets. However, you will still be flying the Baron and King Air too.

Not quite the whole story there. I worked at EB for several years. Each A/C does have a primary captain, but the pilot's all work for EB, not the aircraft owners. Right seat position is filled by other pilots qualified on the airplane, and most are Captains, but I think all of them are. Both companines you speak of operate LR45, so the crews crew both airplanes. The position is not exclusive to higher senority pilots. They have several TWA guys put on the street in the past 24 months now working there, and they are in the 45, so serority is not the issue at EB. And they do not still fly the K/A's and the Barons. EB has 2 800XPs and several BE40s, so they tend to fly the jets and not the props, though I am sure 1 or 2 might still fly the props.

Herzog? Do not know anything first hand. Good 'ole boy network. I think most of the pilots grew up in St Joseph, learned to fly at the local FBO, etc. They had a Westwind for many years and then got a Challenger 600. The owner has a race car......sooo, in race season, I was told that the pilots fly everyone to the race, then expected to spend all day at the track, party afterwards, then fly the boss home. Repeat week after week. In between, there is a Piper Seneca and Westwind that flies in addition to the routine aircraft maintenance.

Although this sounds a little far fetched, I was told that this job was not for the normal corporate pilot. That's why they like the local flavor.

I've heard the same about Herzog. IT is my understanding that you do go and help out at the race, but to what extent I am not sure. I have not heard anything bad about the pilots working there. I know a guy that flew for them for a little while and he said they were all stand-up guys to work with, and so I am sure that is the case. He's a straight shooter and calls it like it is.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

go help out at the race after you fly there?

I hope those jacka##es are washing cars and cleaning tools....

what a joke. Get some freakin' pride.