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34 pilots, including all from the hiring pool, should expect a call soon for their class dates. The publications department is prepared for the first group (sorry, don't have the exact numbers) to begin class in January. That alone doesn't mean it will happen that way but some other tidbits from the schoolhouse make it look like the plan will indeed come together to have all of the poolies on the line before June, with the 2 month training to start before then. Some of the sponsors for these pilots have already been contacted and more will be soon. Of course anything can happen to spoil this but I think it looks really good for you guys who are waiting!

 

['72Gremlin]

Hypothetically, if the pool is <34 (other estimates of the pool size have come as low as 27), can we assume/hope Alaska will interview to hire to fill the vacant remaining slots, up to 34? And do you think Alaska will interview to maintain a "pool" of pilots? Inquiring minds would like to know...

Just need some hope for us wannabes not in the pool...

 

[mittro]

Was in CQ the last couple of days and both the SEA ACP and Fleet Captain spoke to our group. Both said (don't hold me to specifics) that this latest bid was to fill for retirement attrition and hiring could begin after the first of the year. Both made reference to this with the "contract" being signed. We need a TA by the end of December and if not, arbitration in May. One went on to be more specific with this. This last bid is to fill for retirement attrition only and would be filled from the those in the "pool". He thougt HR would start to look at the "poolies" and see who is still around. Approx. 34 new hires to fill this last bid with 18 SEA MD80 F/O's, 6 ANC 737-200, 6 737-400 and 4 LAX 737NG F/O's.We have approx. 60 retirements next year with about 14 early outs if they take it.
My 2 cents. A TA will be signed by Jan. If not, worst cast arbitration in May which would not give ample time to spool hiring. All new hires will come in under the new TA. We have to have all new hires for this bid growth,attriton in class by around February/March to be any good for the summer schedule. Have heard Training has asked to run sims around the clock. Currently no training from 12AM-6AM per contract. Hope this helps.
Good luck to all.................

 

[av8instyle]

retirements

We have approx. 60 retirements next year with about 14 early outs if they take it

According to the latest list we have 40 retirements for 2005. This does not include any early outs. If we lose lump sum you can bet there will be a big exit.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Was in CQ the last couple of days and both the SEA ACP and Fleet Captain spoke to our group. Both said (don't hold me to specifics) that this latest bid was to fill for retirement attrition and hiring could begin after the first of the year. Both made reference to this with the "contract" being signed. We need a TA by the end of December and if not, arbitration in May. One went on to be more specific with this. This last bid is to fill for retirement attrition only and would be filled from the those in the "pool". He thougt HR would start to look at the "poolies" and see who is still around. Approx. 34 new hires to fill this last bid with 18 SEA MD80 F/O's, 6 ANC 737-200, 6 737-400 and 4 LAX 737NG F/O's.We have approx. 60 retirements next year with about 14 early outs if they take it.
My 2 cents. A TA will be signed by Jan. If not, worst cast arbitration in May which would not give ample time to spool hiring. All new hires will come in under the new TA. We have to have all new hires for this bid growth,attriton in class by around February/March to be any good for the summer schedule. Have heard Training has asked to run sims around the clock. Currently no training from 12AM-6AM per contract. Hope this helps.
Good luck to all.................

So they even have slots for the -200? I thought that was a senior plane at AS?

 

[ferlo]

The last bid effective date was around the first of march, 05. I thought all positions posted for new hires were supposed to be filled by the effective date. That would mean training should begin around nov/dec. Have I missed something?

 

[mittro]

Around 40 retirements and 14 "early outs" for next year is correct.Sorry

The -200 in ANC has been senior for the last few years but on the latest bid we now will have a -400 Combi flying out of ANC. Alaska will take 5 a/c total, 4 Combi and 1 Freighter and move to ANC. The -200 will fly at least until sometime around 2007. On the latest bid, most internal F/O's went -400 but 1 went -200. Hence, openings in ANC as well as SEA MD and LAX 737.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Around 40 retirements and 14 "early outs" for next year is correct.Sorry

The -200 in ANC has been senior for the last few years but on the latest bid we now will have a -400 Combi flying out of ANC. Alaska will take 5 a/c total, 4 Combi and 1 Freighter and move to ANC. The -200 will fly at least until sometime around 2007. On the latest bid, most internal F/O's went -400 but 1 went -200. Hence, openings in ANC as well as SEA MD and LAX 737.

Now the guys on the -400 will get to fly the 4,7 and 9, correct?

 

[Rhino]

ferlo,

I thought the same thing too, hoping to start ASAP. Then I was 'enlightened' with previous threads on the 'needs of the company'. They don't need the full amount of pilots in the winter months, so they'll have us all trained in time for the summer flying. Hence, classes in '05 instead of this fall. I hope the phone calls start soon!

 

[RiddleMan80]

Trying to get ahead

I know my time is way low right now, but would it be to my advantage to apply now and keep updating? If I do that for a number of years, would that look favorably on me when I finally get an interview? I'm anticipating getting on with a regional very soon, so it won't be too much longer before I start logging jet time.

 

[ratherfish]

Wow! Some good news.

Questions for anyone:
What is the pension situation?
What are the pros/cons of the equipment and base choices? ie variety of flying and quality of life.

I can't wait.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

I know my time is way low right now, but would it be to my advantage to apply now and keep updating? If I do that for a number of years, would that look favorably on me when I finally get an interview? I'm anticipating getting on with a regional very soon, so it won't be too much longer before I start logging jet time.

No Comment................I'll let the other guys speak up.

 

[BFC Lone Wolf]

Response

I know my time is way low right now, but would it be to my advantage to apply now and keep updating? If I do that for a number of years, would that look favorably on me when I finally get an interview? I'm anticipating getting on with a regional very soon, so it won't be too much longer before I start logging jet time.

It is always good to be applying and building your file for Alaska Airlines. I would suggest heading to AK and flying the bush and then working for the regionals up there. This will build some quality time and beats the heck out of instructing. Just a thought. Best of luck.

 

[Alaska Flyer]

Alaska Hiring Pool

[QUOTE='72Gremlin]Hypothetically, if the pool is <34 (other estimates of the pool size have come as low as 27), can we assume/hope Alaska will interview to hire to fill the vacant remaining slots, up to 34? And do you think Alaska will interview to maintain a "pool" of pilots? Inquiring minds would like to know...

Just need some hope for us wannabes not in the pool...[/QUOTE]I was told by someone directly dealing with this subject that the remaining pool size is exactly 34, and that there would be no more hiring until "sometime in 2005". I think the actual date completely hinges upon the outcome of the current pilot contract negotiations and arbitration. Don't know about the discrepancy of the few slots, but was also told that apps for other pilots (non-poolies) are not being reviewed. Wish I had news that it would be sooner, but I am counting on that plan taking shape immediately after the company finds out what they are dealing with in the way of a new contract. Arbitration award should be in March, I think, and I do not expect a TA before then. It's all a guess how that will go. Good luck to you all and don't give up on the on line applications because they will be hiring sometime in the next year.

 

[mach none]

I was told by someone directly dealing with this subject that the remaining pool size is exactly 34, and that there would be no more hiring until "sometime in 2005". I think the actual date completely hinges upon the outcome of the current pilot contract negotiations and arbitration. Don't know about the discrepancy of the few slots, but was also told that apps for other pilots (non-poolies) are not being reviewed. Wish I had news that it would be sooner, but I am counting on that plan taking shape immediately after the company finds out what they are dealing with in the way of a new contract. Arbitration award should be in March, I think, and I do not expect a TA before then. It's all a guess how that will go. Good luck to you all and don't give up on the on line applications because they will be hiring sometime in the next year.

The contract time frame is: If no TA/CBA is in place by 12/15, than the binding abritration clock starts. The abritration board makes their decision no later than 4/30 ( or 31st, I can't remember/to lazy to look at a 2005 calendar). The Arbitrated contract is in place May 1, 2005. It is in place for 2 years.

Each side presents 5 issues to the board and pay is automatically in play. A total of 11 issues will be presented and decided upon. You can bet the pension will be one.

 

[BORAT]

Have any 400's gone for the conversion yet? I thought they where waiting for the 800's to come before they sent a 400 out...

-BORAT

 

[shamrock]

Sorry to revive an older thread, but an off topic question for you Alaska guys.

Is the payscale posted on airlinepilotpay.com accurate? It's pretty impressive compared to airlines flying similar equipment.

I might be qualified in a decade or two and I was curious.

 

[mach none]

Sorry to revive an older thread, but an off topic question for you Alaska guys.

Is the payscale posted on airlinepilotpay.com accurate? It's pretty impressive compared to airlines flying similar equipment.

I might be qualified in a decade or two and I was curious.

Accurate for a few more months. The contract will be settled by the end of the year, or abritration. We will have a contract no later than May 1, 2005. Arbritration dictates that.

 

[BORAT]

Expect a mass exit of guys if a pay-cut is taken...Well the 55+ crowd...

 

[Singlecoil]

Expect a mass exit of guys if a pay-cut is taken...Well the 55+ crowd...

Not gonna happen. Looking at the seniority list, there aren't that many folks with 30 years of credited service, which is what is required to not be hit by the early retirement penalty. That penalty is roughly 8% per year for every year retiring early. Will a 55 year-old take a 40% hit to his/her A plan to retire early? Not a wise thing to do. Will a 59 year-old take an 8% hit? That is certainly more likely. Actually going one year early is more like a 10% hit, because you lose one year of credited service, 1.9%, plus the 8% or so early penalty.