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Guard and reserve

My background is that I got sent to pilot training by the Reserves about 2 1/2 years ago and was a Guard navigator/enlisted before that.

Your prior service time will give you an edge over non-prior guys (I was enlisted in the same Guard unit for 6+ years before they sent me to nav school). They don't have to worry about you not being "militarily adaptable." However, the thing that hurt me at several places is that the guard/reserve like to hire local boys. I wouldn't limit myself to only nearby units, but you will have an advantage there.

Getting a guard/reserve job is like rushing a frat. It's all about face time. If they recognize your face/name because you call a couple times a months and showed up for a couple drill weekends, then you're ahead of the game. Go in and hang out for a few hours. Ask some questions and show interest.

Most units hold a board once a year, sometimes twice. Some of the important things they are looking for are:

1) Somebody that is going to stick around for 10 or 20 years. They have to pay a lot to get you trained so if they hire you and then you split 3 or 4 years later they have to start over again and that gets expensive. They'll understand if there is a reason, but "I like Willow Grove better than Whiteman," won't cut it.

2) Somebody they can stand for the next 10 or 20 years. Nobody wants to hire a guy/girl that they think is a jerk. Just be yourself and see if you fit in. Trying to be what you think they want you to be is just going to make you look stupid.

3) Be honest in your interview. I was asked why I wanted to fly the A-10 instead of a LGPOS. Several of the guys on the board had flown f-16s previously and i knew this, but I still told them what I thought of the f-16, which wasn't very much. I still got hired. Nobody likes a kissass.

4) Get your private liscence. If you haven't spent any of your own money to prove that you really want to fly then it looks like your a kid that watched Top Gun one too many times and just thought it would be cool to be a pilot. It's not a requirement to be selected, but most units I've talked to won't seriously consider you without it. If you are at least working on it it will show good faith.

Try these websites to get info on the different units in the Guard and Reserve: http://www.ang.af.mil/units/angsites.asp http://www.afrc.af.mil/Units.htm

Send your resume to everybody and don't take no for an answer. The last thing to think of is, usually units that are converting from one airframe to another are more likely to be hiring than normal units because they are inevitably going to have older guys that don't want to go through the transition. Jackson, MS, is getting C-17s soon. Memphis, TN, is getting C-5s. So if you want to fly heavies that will help your chances, too.

good luck!

lurch
 
Please Hire Me said:
I would like to know the process of getting into military aviation for all branches. What is the selection process like?? What is the lifestyle like? I have a wife and son, so I would also like to know how often you must move.

....!

If you go on active duty in the Air Force you can expect to move every three to five years after you arrive at your first operational unit.

I was never in a heavy unit, but fighter units live a real intense life, with lots of long days, pressure and competition. I liked it, but it's not for everyone.

If you want family stability, then the Guard or Reserve is a great way to go.

I know that the Air Force really likes to get former Marines, because the Air Force places great value on the personal discipline and military bearing that are second nature to most Marines.

Lastly, please ignore the ridiculous post by CCDiscoB. Professional military pilots of all services respect their comrades in different aircraft and branches of the service.
 
Night traps are almost as fun as chewing on tin foil. Even inside a mile, at night a carrier looks like a poorly lit 7-eleven parking lot in an earthquake.

Some CIA pilots got carrier-qualified in the U-2 in the sixties. Those guys, and I hope they're still around, win any o'club argument about who has the biggest 'nads.

Craven:

I love the 7-Eleven analogy. That is so true. And I totally agree about landing at the field. I much prefer it as well, now that I am on shore duty flying the mighty King Air. Not too excited about going back to the boat, but in this economy...may not have a choice.

I heard about those CIA guys getting traps on the boat. That is pure insanity. Not much room for error when you get that "right for lineup" call crossing the ramp.

Please Hire Me:

As you have heard, the regular USAF guys do move quite a bit. Navy guys can get stationed in one place for many years at a time. It's even possible to do an entire career in a place like San Diego or Norfolk. However, to do that, you sometimes have to take a desk job vice flying.

I would have to agree that the biggest scam going is the Air Guard. Those guys fly as much (if not more) hours per month than I have in my Navy career. And they probably have about 50% less crap to deal with since they are part-time. I myself plan on trying to get an Air Guard slot if I ever leave the Navy.

Overall, I think you will have a great experience wherever you go. Just remember that unlike the civilian world, in the military, you are always expected to be an officer/manager/leader first and flying is a secondary duty. That reality can be a bit frustrating during those months where you only fly 10-15 hours and spend the other 150+ hours flying your desk.

Good luck! :cool:
 
I love it

I myself plan on trying to get an Air Guard slot if I ever leave the Navy.
Should have thought of that a few years ago. ;) Good luck.
the biggest scam going is the Air Guard

I wouldn't say that. The ANG has a very important mission. Like you said we fly as much if not more than our counterparts. But we don't get the same flight pay. You'll see.:)
 
Scam

Oh, it's a scam alright. Not the magnitude of Enron, but it's a scam. We still get flight pay, but it is proportional to the amount of fying we do for the month. This may change in the near future. Either way, a double AFTP day is unbelieveable. Also, I get to say no once in awhile.

Take care and fly safe,

SR
 
Flight Pay

This may change in the near future.

Nope, it was shot down. When the Navs and enlisted jumped on board it became too expensive. Too bad.
 
Guard/Reserve vs Active Pay

I was active duty for almost 10 yrs and have been AFRES for 3+

I like both, got off Active Duty because my familily wanted to settle down near Grandparents.

Active Duty earn pay every day of the month, whether they're home on the 4th of July mowing their lawn, or flying a mission.
Sometimes/Often you are deployed during holidays, but you will get 30 days of paid leave each year.

Active Duty retirement is a MAJOR advantage...I think AFRES/GUARD should get retirement immediately as well, but obviously at a lesser amount than active based on our level of participation (if I work 180 days each year, my retirement should be 1/2 of my mirror image who served on active duty w/ same rank, time in service, etc). I strongly support eliminating us waiting til we're 60 in the hopes some of us our dead.

Big difference is Traditional Guardsman/Reservists only gey paid only when they show up to work (yes double AFTPs are a good deal, but we definitely earn them). We also don't have health coverage for you and your family(unless on continuous orders >30 consec days)...if I get hurt while on orders, AF will cover me. If I'm not on orders, I need to use my company(or buy out of pocket coverage)...

Both have advantages...being in the Guard is not the scam everyone thinks it is...Just ask the KC-135 pilots who are deployed...I like knowing that I'll be working with the same group of professionals for a long time...the biggest advantage is not having to mess with AFPC and worrying about a Non-Volunteer UAV assignment that "You really need because it's good for your career"...

I have tremendous appreciation for those who serve, both Active and ANG/AFRES...THANK YOU!
 

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