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christianwings.org.....


"Our Specialty "TOP IT OFF" Program (Mountain and Jungle Pilot Training)

* Recommended: Commercial with instrument and a minimum of 400 hrs. before starting**
* 60 hrs. dual instruction in a Cessna C-180. No charge for instructor time on this one.
* $9,000* Special for limited time

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Good I get to pay them to train me so I can go live in some jungel hell hole and work for them (oh I mean God) for probably free.
 
garf12 said:
christianwings.org.....


"Our Specialty "TOP IT OFF" Program (Mountain and Jungle Pilot Training)

* Recommended: Commercial with instrument and a minimum of 400 hrs. before starting**
* 60 hrs. dual instruction in a Cessna C-180. No charge for instructor time on this one.
* $9,000* Special for limited time

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I hope that you are never in a position that you need someone's help. If you are, I hope there is someone there to help you and not someone who turns the other cheek. These wonderful groups are made up of people that "donate" (ever heard of the concept?) their time and talent to help those in need. It is unbelievable that you would bash such a concept.
 
Christianwings.org has blended the line by offering pay for training. If it was a non-profit organization, then it might be worthy of donating one's time.

I'm with garf12 on this one.
 
ren said:
garf12 said:
christianwings.org.....


"Our Specialty "TOP IT OFF" Program (Mountain and Jungle Pilot Training)

* Recommended: Commercial with instrument and a minimum of 400 hrs. before starting**
* 60 hrs. dual instruction in a Cessna C-180. No charge for instructor time on this one.
* $9,000* Special for limited time

top"

I hope that you are never in a position that you need someone's help. If you are, I hope there is someone there to help you and not someone who turns the other cheek. These wonderful groups are made up of people that "donate" (ever heard of the concept?) their time and talent to help those in need. It is unbelievable that you would bash such a concept.

Im all for helping and volunterring and all that, I do it all the time, plan on joining angel flight when I can. But I think something stinks about christian wings, $9,000???? Pulease!
 
"Pay Ayuff Taaayyyeeee foh Jaaaaayzussss!"


Oh Jeeeeezus! :rolleyes:


Minh
 
As part of a business school project I am developing plans for a small regional carrier that will fly B1900s PTP between city pairs such as RDU-FAY, FAY-GSP, etc. This thread gives me an idea ....

I can couch the ops manual and all training in terms of "service to humanity" Buddhist-style. And so I will feel no guilt when I ask my pilots to pay for their own initial training at Flight Safety. Or possibly at Bubba's King Air School of Oxnard. I'll just tell 'em ... "We are providing a service for own fellow man ... we must give freely and not be attached to our savings, 401K, or our monthly bills, if we borrow the money for training. Let go of 'money' ... no discrimination ... your mind must be free ... get to Oxnard on your own dime too, by the way."

Praise Buddha! Er sump'n. :rolleyes:

Minh
(Author of 'TCAS Monkeys I have Known', in a Borders Bookstore near you!)
 
If the $9k was a charitable donation or part of your yearly tithe, I think that would be acceptable, sort of like the "suggested" donation when you visit the local museum. But if they include or exclude based strictly upon whether or not someone paid 9gs, well that is...PFT.

Could you imagine if you had two pilots, one christian and one satanist-pagan cat sacrificer, and the pagan was willing to cough up the money but the christian couldn't, who would be flying the missionary work?

But the concept of donating your time and skills for a greater good is a great thing and should be encouraged, I just don't know if PFT is kosher even in that setting.
 
Many moons ago in a country far, far away, I approached a pilot in a heavily laden cessna 206 that was chock full of people and chickens and wicker and...whatever could be put in there. I didn't know the gear could be spread so wide and that the aircraf could squat so much, but it did.

I was curious about his show, and wanted to talk for just a moment. I asked him what the organization required to fly for them. He looked me up and down, and simply replied, "We don't take people of your, um, theological affiliation."

I wasn't wearing any religious artifact, garb, collar, dress, whatever, and wasn't sure what exactly he meant. I said, "I thought you were a Christian organization."

He replied, "We hate catholics too, but we'll fly them if they pay us enough."

That was enough for me. I went the other direction and headed back to Lae.

In that particular land, the people had been beat up and controlled by one invading culture after another. Various occupations had taken place, numerous attrocities, but the worst that had happened to them as a people was the invasion of Christian Missionaries...ones who tried to bend the culture to their own ways.

Nothing against Christianity...I have strong Christian affiliation myself...but I don't know that I'd be too quick to encourage a young guy to go plonk down his savings to press the likes of "we hate catholics but we'll fly them if they pay us enough."

A lot of service organizations out there do a lot of good, and a lot of these missionary flying outfits certainly fit that description...don't discount the opportunity if it's what you believe and it's what floats your boat. But also don't see it for what it's not.

You also need to realize and remember that the peruvian cessna 185 shootdown that made the papers here a few years ago was not an isolated event, but one of many, and it's back on again. Don't make your decision to go based on that, but use common sense, follow your instinct, and your heart.

I also wouldn't go calling it a PFT operation. By their very nature, most all missionary programs are self-sponsored. A lot of them do a lot of humanitarian good. If you want to be a part of that, there's nothing wrong with dedicating yourself, your labor, and even your money to a cause in which you believe. The organization can afford to pay you very little if anything, and your reward won't be your paycheck. It may be nothing more than a deep satisfaction that you've accomplished something at the end of the day. You may not go home rich, but a lot of folks making a lot of money can't go home at the end of the day with that feeling, and they can't buy it.

Many of these organizations can't afford to train pilots. They rely on donations from many sources. Christian missionaries have a strong tradition of going into the world "without script nor purse," without expecting big wages or gaurantees. Of providing for themselves as they go...the situation described isn't any different.

Nobody makes you go. One might even say that fronting the money is a way of weeding out those who aren't really dedicated. It's not for everybody. Only you know if you feel compelled to do that kind of work, and in the same vein, only you will know if the terms and conditions of the opportunity to serve are right for you. Don't drag into that a discussion of corporate and airline pilots paying for their jobs in an economic tug of war, because mission flying is far and apart from all of that. If you have to ask what you get out of the deal, then it's definitely not right for you.
 
Santa Claus died, but don't worry, they've elected a new one.
 
avbug said:
I asked him what the organization required to fly for them. He looked me up and down, and simply replied, "We don't take people of your, um, theological affiliation."

I wasn't wearing any religious artifact, garb, collar, dress, whatever, and wasn't sure what exactly he meant. I said, "I thought you were a Christian organization."

He replied, "We hate catholics too, but we'll fly them if they pay us enough."

So I said to the guy --as politely as possible-- "How do yo sleep at night, you little prick?"
 

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