Verify Flight Time ?

[Propsfullfwd]

Has anyone ever known a regional airline to call and verify flight time with a flight school (or place you bought multi. time). If so which regionals?

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[Lance501]

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Sounds like a question from someone with somthing to hide. Why don't you just log the time you fly so you can sleep at night.
I don't know, maybe you have a good reason for your question besides the obvious. I have no idea how indepth they go into backgroud checks. I do know that the flight schools have to keep your records for several years after you leave. Not sure on the specifics, maybe someone else could help me out on that.
Don't cheat times.........You'll be cheating your self in the long run. Things like that always have a way of finding you.

 

[350DRIVER]

I have never seen nor heard of any airline doing this. Most of the guys on the interview boards can tell if a logbook has been padded or altered by simply taking a look at it and reviewing the dates and times and comparing that to the resume flight time breakdown. Obviously if there are any red flags then they should be somewhat easily noticed and the questions will then start to be asked. Some of the biggest disqualifiers seem to be the logging of "sic time" in aircraft that are type certificated for single pilot operations and do not require the sic to be onboard, lack of recency of experience ( X amount of hours in last X amount of months), etc. The more notable red flags are usually the ones that seem to cause many applicants the most problems.


Most of the companies want to see "experience" versus the just "flight time" and this usually can be tested by a simple simulator evaluation.


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[flying4food]

I know what you are thinking, DON'T DO IT!!!!! You will only cheat yourself. You will basically misrepresent yourself. These interviewers and sim instructors are not stupid, we can see right through that stuff. I've had people in the sim who claim to have 1,500 hours flight time, that couldn't perform basic manuevers.

It doesn't matter how you get the hours, flight hours equate to expererience and a good evaluator can spot experience vs. a pencil whipper!!!

Another good example was a fellow that came in who claimed to have 3 years worth of bush experience in AK. He wanted some sim time to prepare for a job interview. He couldn't enter a hold to save his a$$, nor could he perform basic pilot tasks. After 5 sessions in the sim, he still wasen't catching on. His logbook showed he had almost 3,000 hours, but his flying skills reflected a 400 hour pilot!

Don't mess with your future, spend the time and the money to do it right, it will pay off in the end!!

 

[Propsfullfwd]

The reason why I am asking this question is I have had a few friends get picked up by a charter operator and regional.They have padded their time and also one has a letter of warning. I thought that the airlines did some sort of checking on the amount of time people flew and with the faa for violations. One of them had 400+ hours in a citation 1 as sic...

 

[350DRIVER]

Should X airline choose to hire you they will then request your records from the FAA (violations, incidents, accidents, etc), airman file, if you flew 135 they will also get a copy of those records (135 training programs completed, checkride history, ground schools, etc) but what they will not get nor request is a breakdown of your "exact" flight time(s) history and training program(s) that you have went through while you were building your time and experience.

If you pad the book most interviewers can put two and two together and this will quite obvious and this also can be verified during the sim eval.

be smart..


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[cynic]

Sadly no...

We had a guy leave for airlink, he lgged all is multi time as PIC when he was a co-pilot under part 91.

In the end it doesn;t matter. You can pad your way from 200 hours of multi to 300 and you will almost certainly get away with it.

Once you've done that you can work for as much as 20 thousand, thats right THOUSAND dollars.

 

[Splert]

I thought the PRIA included part 121 and 135 flight times. If not then what the point of the PRIA.

 

[CUEBOAT]

I work at AriBen Aviator in Fort Pierce, Florida. We recently had a person call from JetBlue asking about a instructor from like 10 years ago. They asked if his multi time was realistic for an instructor at our school. This is after he worked for AmericanAirlines.

 

[FN FAL]

I thought the PRIA included part 121 and 135 flight times. If not then what the point of the PRIA.

Maybe he thinks PRIA means literally to act on improving pilot records by putting some "Parker 51" time in the Multi column?

 

[LegacyDriver]

Not to hijack the thread, but you can log SIC time in an SP-certificated airplane if it is required by your operation. I used to fly a Part 91 Citation II/SP. The company required a co-pilot so I logged all of it as SIC and I never heard a word about it in an interview...

 

[DoinTime]

Another good example was a fellow that came in who claimed to have 3 years worth of bush experience in AK. He wanted some sim time to prepare for a job interview. He couldn't enter a hold to save his a$$

Yeah....bush pilots do so much holding that they should be experts on it.

 

[350DRIVER]

Not to hijack the thread, but you can log SIC time in an SP-certificated airplane if it is required by your operation. I used to fly a Part 91 Citation II/SP. The company required a co-pilot so I logged all of it as SIC and I never heard a word about it in an interview...

I would think you were incorrect by logging the time as SIC since the "qualified" pilot had S/P authority on his ticket. Just because your former company "required" two pilots means little or nothing with regards to you "legally" being able to log the time as sic. Just because the company says so does not over-ride the aircraft single pilot type certification.

IF you were flying part 135 and your ops specs required a 135 qualified SIC then yes you could log the time as SIC legally regardless of whether or not the aircraft's pic had single pilot certification.

A company req't or insurancereq't. does NOT over-ride FAR's and/or aircraft certification.

Many 91 departments fly with two pilots due to the pax comfort level and added safety factor, doesn't really mean that you can "legally" log SIC time just cause the company wants you up front with the S/P qualified pilot.

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[Sig]

Amen, Doin' Time. Not to hijack the thread, but bush pilots can fly the hayell out of a plane- in AK, if it is IMC, it is ICING too. Flew with a couple, they were rusty on the gauges, but could land the plane in what looked like eight feet.

 

[some_dude]

Not to hijack the thread more (sorry!), but I have logged SIC time in Citation ISPs.

The AFM clearly states that if the left seat pilot does not have a boom mike then the aircraft requires two pilots.

The AFM also requires that the autopilot be operative, and a transponder ident button on the yoke. I think that's all, but it's been a few years.

This also applies to the Citation IISP. Straight Citation IIs (and 500s and S/IIs, etc) are two pilot airplanes, for which it is possible to get a waiver to allow single pilot operation. I've never seen one of these waivers, but I imagine it has similar requirements.

So, to summarize: no boom mike, 2 pilots required. 2 pilots required, SIC can log SIC time.

 

[LegacyDriver]

I love loopholes.

 

[pipejockey]

I logged SIC time in a Metroliner operated by a part 135 cargo company. They are approved to operate the aircraft single pilot but can choose to have an FO as well. We did have to pass a part 135 SIC ck. ride by a designated examiner, so I think its legal. Never was told that it could be an issue