Useless ASA Scope?

[OCP]

The first part:

Fragmentation​

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If Company transfers to SkyWest Airlines or another SkyWest, Inc., subsidiary, five
or more aircraft within a rolling 12-month period, then starting with the fifth aircraft,​

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and for each transferring aircraft thereafter,​

[/FONT]five crews will have the opportunity to
voluntarily transfer to SkyWest Airlines or the other SkyWest, Inc., subsidiary, with​

the aircraft.

Now it's said that with the no furlough clause, why would ASA keep a bunch of pilots on the pay roll with no airplanes to fly? And that keeps Skywest Inc. from transferring airplanes. But that doesn't really work. 1 Airplane is what? 5 crews? ASA is loosing about 30 people a month. So we loose 1 airplane in a month and loose 3 times as many pilots needed to fly that airplane. Not exactly iron clad.
Doesn't it look like that by those words that Skywest could take 4 airplanes today, wait 12 months and then basicly take 1 airplane a month for as long as they want, without taking any ASA people?
(up to 15 700s and 40 200s)

 

[flyf15]

When the crews are transferred, does their seniority go with them? Or are the stapled?

 

[OCP]

ASA longevity carried to SkyWest Airlines or other SkyWest, Inc., subsidiary;
transferring ASA pilots will retain ASA longevity at SKW entity for pay, vacation, and​

all benefit purposes

 

[Speedtape]

The first part:

Fragmentation​

o

If Company transfers to SkyWest Airlines or another SkyWest, Inc., subsidiary, five

or more aircraft within a rolling 12-month period, then starting with the fifth aircraft,
[FONT=Arial,Italic]and for each transferring aircraft thereafter, ​

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five crews will have the opportunity to

voluntarily transfer to SkyWest Airlines or the other SkyWest, Inc., subsidiary, with​

the aircraft.

Now it's said that with the no furlough clause, why would ASA keep a bunch of pilots on the pay roll with no airplanes to fly? And that keeps Skywest Inc. from transferring airplanes. But that doesn't really work. 1 Airplane is what? 5 crews? ASA is loosing about 30 people a month. So we loose 1 airplane in a month and loose 3 times as many pilots needed to fly that airplane. Not exactly iron clad.
Doesn't it look like that by those words that Skywest could take 4 airplanes today, wait 12 months and then basicly take 1 airplane a month for as long as they want, without taking any ASA people?
(up to 15 700s and 40 200s)

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You are trying to figure this out without full language. So am I. It raises more questions than it answers. Hopefully, after we receive full language, and we have it explained, some things will make more sense. It still sounds like it is better than what we presently have. Soon, we can be informed, and then we can vote. I am looking forward to that day.
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[Speedtape]

When the crews are transferred, does their seniority go with them? Or are the stapled?

They want be stapled. More than likely, under the Allegheny-Mohawk, it would be something more like D.O.H.

 

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What about the firm orders that were taken, the 700's that were taken and the 900's?

If done properly, this scope should make up for some of what was taken from the ASA pilots while SkyWest negotiated in bad faith and violated status quo.

As others have pointed out, attrition makes this scope nearly meaningless for anyone other than a guy with less than one month of seniority. Transfers would happen off the bottom of the list and the attrition tends to happen further up the list. Everyone older, happy, or in between IOE Skippy and Capt #1 is not offered anything by this scope.

If ALPA wants to sign up other regional airline pilots, they have got to do better. This was a step in the right direction, but it does not go nearly far enough for the ASA Pilots, ALPA, or our profession.

 

[rightseatjocky]

So all they have to do is transfer 4. Pretty simple to me to screw the pilots and the company.

 

[Speedtape]

So all they have to do is transfer 4. Pretty simple to me to screw the pilots and the company.

They have already transferred 4.

 

[Papa Woody]

You want ironclad scope: here it is:

Take a 30% paycut.....

.....then, Skywest cannot afford NOT to grow ASA.



.....This industry sucks.

 

[sweptback]

They have already transferred 4.

And it cost them $3 million to do so.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I'm pretty sure that transfer occured over a year ago.

If I'm understanding this correctly, couldn't they just transfer an aircraft every 10 weeks or so, and this clause would not go into effect?

 

[sweptback]

If I'm understanding this correctly, couldn't they just transfer an aircraft every 10 weeks or so, and this clause would not go into effect?

But at that rate, it would take about 29 years to transfer the entire fleet.

 

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Unless Delta decided to trade their RJ's to China and replace those airplanes with newer equipment... Does this cover "retire" and "replace?"

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

you can replace more than 40 200's if they are swapped for 700's. No mention of 900's.

 

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Elaborate please. What keeps DAL and Jerry from placing the replacements where all the other replacement pilots have been sourced?

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

It was pretty much a one liner very much like I wrote above. Not much that I can elaborate on there. But it is just the highlight real of the TA.

 

[Crash Pad]

You all are over thinking it. SKYW can take 40 planes tomorrow then walk into the ASA break room and say "who wants to go to SKYW we can only take 35 crews worth"

The pay at SKYW is better even with this POS offer. The scope is better at SKYW. The pilots are happier at SKYW. The growth is at SKYW... You would have no problem getting volunteers.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Elaborate please. What keeps DAL and Jerry from placing the replacements where all the other replacement pilots have been sourced?

Nothing.

 

[Speedtape]

You all are over thinking it. SKYW can take 40 planes tomorrow then walk into the ASA break room and say "who wants to go to SKYW we can only take 35 crews worth"

The pay at SKYW is better even with this POS offer. The scope is better at SKYW. The pilots are happier at SKYW. The growth is at SKYW... You would have no problem getting volunteers.

He may be overthinking it, but you have thought it wrong.

The pay will not be better at Skywest. Skywest has no scope. Not all the pilots are happier at Skywest, probably more than 50%. If one leaves ASA, he should be following the crowd to Delta, UPS, FedX, or SouthWest, not latterly to another commuter airline that still flies props and has a Managment Team that makes John and George looking like Sunday School Teachers. It is what it is!

Now go back to your Chief Pilot's office and wait for your retirement.

 

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according to another web site....

SkyWest sent around a memo to the ATL CRJ900 crews advising they are looking at west coast flying and not sure how this will effect ATL staffing. The SkyWest employees to be told more once their scheduling is figured out.

It would be nice if the failed ploy used by SkyWest to intimidate and harm the ASA pilots was now reversed and SkyWest run more rationally.