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None of those aircraft are currently flying. They include 1 737, 12 Do-328's and 10 Dash-8's. Simply shedding some excess debt. Not a big deal.halfmoon said:Already trying to drop lease payments on 23 a/c.
My point EXACTLY The Federal Government has GUARANTEED those ATSB loans. So when they are defaulted on by carriers that don't survive, THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO PAY UP. You said it yourself, Congress certainly doesn't have money set aside for that, they'll have to cough it up from somewhere, and I don't think you'll find a taxpayer anywhere who doesn't believe we'll bear the brunt of it eventually, similar to all the crack whores we have on welfare. I swear to God you should have to have a permit to have more than one child. Sorry, different rant...skykid said:There was a limit on guarantees in the legislation you speak of (I think 10 billion), but that is money from private creditors only guaranteed by the govt. Do you really think our Congress has any money set aside for covering potential defaults?
Not completely accurate. The Ch 11 filing gives US Air (or any airline) 60 days to settle with the aircraft lease companies. If, after 60 days, the airline and lease companies do not come to an agreement, the leasing companies can repossess the airplanes.Staves off the wolves for several more months while they try to put something that will work together
Have you been watching the industry for more than a few weeks? For 27 of the 30 odd years that southwest has been in business their pilot rates were below the competitions. Now that most carriers rates have fallen below theirs, it is a little disengenous to latch on to SW pay as some kind of new benchmark.Mach 80 said:sf3boy,
Some of the SWA pilots are concerned that the UAL, and AA rates are eventually going to drag their's down. As someone said after you made your ignorant comment .."Sign me up".
http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/
Writers always talk about SWA's lower labor rates. Well, it's not actually labor rates -- it's various efficiencies in their business model that allow their OVERALL labor costs to be lower than others, not necessarily their rates.
When you say, "efficiencies" you mean things like pensions and health insurance for retirees? Oh yeah, that's right, let's fix the no retiree medical insurance by raising the mandatory retirement age thereby allowing pilots to work until they qualify for medicare.Mach 80 said:sf3boy,
>>>>And soon, you will see US Air 737's and 319/320's being operated with pilots being paid a little less than that of Southwest. Just my guess. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where Northwest, Delta, American, etc... are going to go with this. <<<
You and many others make a very wrong assumption about SWA pay. SWA is now the 2nd highest narrow body pay in the industry and who knows, it may be # 1 after Delta takes a possible concession. A 12 year SWA CAptain will be making $181/hr....more than an American 757 Captain. You might start using AA or UAL as the low end bench mark from now on, not SWA. Some of the SWA pilots are concerned that the UAL, and AA rates are eventually going to drag their's down. As someone said after you made your ignorant comment .."Sign me up".
http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/
Writers always talk about SWA's lower labor rates. Well, it's not actually labor rates -- it's various efficiencies in their business model that allow their OVERALL labor costs to be lower than others, not necessarily their rates.
thruthemurk said:Have you been watching the industry for more than a few weeks? For 27 of the 30 odd years that southwest has been in business their pilot rates were below the competitions. Now that most carriers rates have fallen below theirs, it is a little disengenous to latch on to SW pay as some kind of new benchmark.
I didn't realize I was holding the bar for you. I have been at SWA for almost 3 years and have felt that I have been adequately compensated, I could always take more but my pay is fair, after all the SWA business model affords no First Class and no International flying to make up for revenue shortfalls in the domestic market. If my SWA pilots before me worked for what you may call a paltry sum then you should take it up with them. Ask them why they made near bottom wages for many years and you might be surprised at the blame being placed at AA, DAL, UAL. These carriers have tried to put SWA, and those pilots before me out of a job since day one. So when you ask "What has a SWA pilot done for me lately?" Don't be surprised if they just don't give a d@mn about you or your bar.Full of LUV said:Thanks SWAPA, way to hold the bar.