US Airways/AWA Merger

[WSurf]

Just curious and I am sure Lear and Trainer8 can clean this up....

The Arbitration ruling put the CEL list on the bottom of the mainline seniority list. Does this officially mean that the flowthru is still alive and well? And does it put former CELs (now APL) guys that went to MDA back into there orginal place in the CEL list?

I know you two are up on all this stuff, and was wondering what the status was.

 

[nethan]

And the really interesting thing (but not very important) is that there are a bunch of CEL guys that never went to MDA (which according to the OTHER arbitration was in fact part of mainline) and who are senior to the CEL (now APL) pilots that were given a spot at the very bottom of the mainline seniority list.

So, in some people's optimistically warped thinking that means that the entire CEL list should just be stapled to the bottom of the furlough list (one list... finally) but with the CEL/APL guys having first right recalls over those who never "flowed" up to MDA.

Never going to happen, but interesting to talk about all the same.

 

[WSurf]

Hmmm, yea interesting to talk about. I had heard that a lawsuit was in place to make sure that all the CEL guys that went to MDA would fall back into there orginal place on the CEL list.

I am sure that this thing is far from over with. However, a one list airline would be great in terms of hiring and staffing. Right now all the regionals are scrambling to get people to come to there airline. If its true that the CEL's are attached to the mainline list, then attrition will slow down at both WO's.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

I have never seen a mainline list that included anybody except those that flew for MDA.

The arbitration ruling only deals with the former MDA pilots from everything I have seen.

Also the recalls have reached the bottom of the list for the 190. AWA poolies were called after that to see if they were interested. Word is that interviews for newhires to the 190's will be coming shortly since "The list has been exhausted for recalls" I take that to mean that the "CEL" list only deals with the MDA crews.

FWIW as a furloughee, I have never seen anything in print from the company or union that even hints at a flowthru for any pilots other than the MDA folks.

 

[WSurf]

So they are considered back to CEL guys not APL! Well that will open things up for everyone! Hence the lawsuit I guess.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

So they are considered back to CEL guys not APL! Well that will open things up for everyone! Hence the lawsuit I guess.

My understanding of the issue is that the "CEL" only had any bearing on MidAtlantic. Now that MDA is no more there really isn't any more CEL, just former CEL folks that are furloughed MDA/Mainline.

 

[NCFlyer]

The position of the "CEL" pilots continues to be argued back & forth. Regardless of the status of MDA pilots or "CEL" pilots the PDT restructuring agreement dated 10/16/02 states:

"...entitling Piedmont pilots, including, but not limited to, job opportunities at Mid-Atlantic Airlines and flow through to US Airways."

Now of course there is no Mid-Atlantic Airlines, but as long as there is an US Airways the so called flow-through exists in the PDT contract. There was no requirement to accept a MDA position before eventually going to mainline. In fact when the MDA preference web site was operational 1 of your choices was to bypass MDA for Mainline.

I am sure that this will end up being fought in court before it is settled like gentlemen.

As for the AWA/US Airways merger, I have stated repeatedly that any decision less than DOH & the AAA boys would scream bloody murder. I don't know what was right & I'm sure glad I didn't have to make the decision but it seems more than a little 1 sided.

 

[flypixs]

Mr. Surf,

It's going to be interesting here in the weeks to come. It looks different and even moree interesteing from the point where I am standing.

Just remember, as long as you leave the beer in the fridge overnight, it's going to be nice 'n cold in the morning.

 

[NCFlyer]

Just remember, as long as you leave the beer in the fridge overnight, it's going to be nice 'n cold in the morning.

I don't even drink & I like that.

 

[trainer8]

Just curious and I am sure Lear and Trainer8 can clean this up....

The Arbitration ruling put the CEL list on the bottom of the mainline seniority list. Does this officially mean that the flowthru is still alive and well? And does it put former CELs (now APL) guys that went to MDA back into there orginal place in the CEL list?

I know you two are up on all this stuff, and was wondering what the status was.

Mr. Nicolau agreed that the MDA pilots that "flowed up" (my words, not his) to MDA were APL and he placed them at the bottom of the list.

"Flow thru alive and well"....I have posted here before that Flow thru is dead. Ya'll consistantly tell me it's not. My source is the now imfamous DC, who is also the J4J coordinator for AAA ALPA. He get's his info from JS, AAA MECC. I only relay what I'm told.

With that posted, I'm also told (via one person between us), that the Flow Thru agreement is signed and awaiting the AAA ALPA and LCC signatories to put it in place. That, from the PDT Flow Thru Chairman. So, you consider the source you beileve is most reliable. I personally know the PDT FT Chairman. He is a good guy. He has no reason to lie about it.

I know of no lawsuit to place current APL/CEL back into the CEL in order, or CEL on the USSL in CEL order. Heard one was researched, but no retainer pursued.

T8

 

[trainer8]

I have never seen a mainline list that included anybody except those that flew for MDA.

The arbitration ruling only deals with the former MDA pilots from everything I have seen.

Also the recalls have reached the bottom of the list for the 190. AWA poolies were called after that to see if they were interested. Word is that interviews for newhires to the 190's will be coming shortly since "The list has been exhausted for recalls" I take that to mean that the "CEL" list only deals with the MDA crews.

Not quite true...about the APL....it went down to the guy who is 74 numbers from the bottom of the list. Number 74 has a June 18, 2007 E190 class date. 73 APL to go. E190 classes filled for 2007. 164 Group I/II FO positions to be filled yet this year. APL remainders can still bid those, too, which could open up more E190 spots.

"Who's on first?

T8

 

[Crzipilot]

So trainer, the 190 is full now??? no more positions to that thing?

the 160 recalls to go, will start at the top again, with recent seniority arbitration released, I expect it to hit the bottom quickly.

 

[trainer8]

So trainer, the 190 is full now??? no more positions to that thing?

the 160 recalls to go, will start at the top again, with recent seniority arbitration released, I expect it to hit the bottom quickly.

Yes, for 2007--source is J4J coordinator. There were 26 E190 FO positions for the remainder of 2007. I'm told that those have been tentatively filled/assigned. The other GroupI/II positions now will be filled. The 26 are not locked if other positions open up. Once in class, the seat lock goes into effect.

Your guess is as good as mine as to how that will go.

"What's on second?"

T8

 

[Crzipilot]

Ya, I had heard the Feb recall was finished, but had not heard they had gotten the 26 190 positions filled. I know there are two classes in may, and 2 in june I think. The filling of the 160 positions from July will be interesting. I expect the recall to hit the bottom and bounce up,

 

[trainer8]

So they are considered back to CEL guys not APL! Well that will open things up for everyone! Hence the lawsuit I guess.

Which lawsuit are you refering to?

 

[Sig]

Which lawsuit are you refering to?

THE BIG ONE.

Wait, that's something else. What were we talking about?

 

[WSurf]

THE BIG ONE.

Wait, that's something else. What were we talking about?

Lets sue everyone!!!

Sig, your first! You then Trainer, Lear!! I have had it, I sueing everyone!!

 

[Sig]

Then I countersue, decertify ALPA and all pilots on the APL list, abandon the occurrence policy, and shoot myself in the head as a final flourish.

I'll show you... just wait!

*like I said to you a couple of days ago... it's all BS... all of it.

 

[LearLove]

Lets sue everyone!!!

Sig, your first! You then Trainer, Lear!! I have had it, I sueing everyone!!

Ok but all I own is a toyata pick-up truck - you can have it if I get dibbs on that waterfront house.

PS - I may be able to toss in some Allegheny Dash manuals along with a Dash whizz wheel if that sweetens the pot.

 

[Sig]

Now I don't care who you are, that's funny! Dibbs on the whiz wheel.