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What is your guys stance on Piedmont and PSA guys flowing up to mainline? I know you are fighting bigger wars right now but why does it seem most of you are against this? I would like to get a better understanding of your point of view.
 
Two words: Negotiating capital.

Everything has a price. Weigh cost vs. benefit of what you're asking the US Airways pilots to do.
 
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Several words:

How is it that a guy who never interviewed for the position is in the right seat of an A330?
 
Sig said:
Several words:

How is it that a guy who never interviewed for the position is in the right seat of an A330?
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I don't work there but know a lot of guys that do, maybe if you tell me what you are talking about; "a guy who never interviewed for the position is in the right seat of an A330" maybe I can help you out with the answer. But, maybe you don't know what you are talking about??

Just a thought.

DA
 
PlaneDrvr said:
I don't work there but know a lot of guys that do, maybe if you tell me what you are talking about; "a guy who never interviewed for the position is in the right seat of an A330" maybe I can help you out with the answer. But, maybe you don't know what you are talking about??

Just a thought.

DA
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Oooookaaaay.......

Here's my thought:

He sat in the jumpseat while I was flying.

He brags about the flowthrough from a wholly-owned to the right seat of the Airbus A-330. He flew for Mid-Atlantic. He never interviewed for a position at the entity known as USAir, USAirways, or the current entity that is also known as USAirways and yet really isn't.

What's your answer, genius?
 
Sig said:
Oooookaaaay.......

Here's my thought:

He sat in the jumpseat while I was flying.

He brags about the flowthrough from a wholly-owned to the right seat of the Airbus A-330. He flew for Mid-Atlantic. He never interviewed for a position at the entity known as USAir, USAirways, or the current entity that is also known as USAirways and yet really isn't.

What's your answer, genius?[/quote]

Well let's see, maybe he was just talking $hit and exaggrating; oh, never mind, what was I thinking, a 'pilot' would Never talk $hit or "exaggrate." Just like I am sure that "all of them" actually do get all of the 'pu$$y' that they say??

FYI, the guy that teaches 'recall indoc' at US Air is an old friend of mine; and I talked to him a while back, he said that in a class about a month ago there were about 4 slots for the 330 in the class, and when none of the senior pilots showed up for the class, the company 'took down' all of the A330 slots. He said they (company), I guess are aware, that a really junior person ending up in the A330 would definitely create an easy 'grevience' and wanted to avoid it.

As far as I know the A330 is 'still' very senior, even for F/O. But, since he was on your jumpseat, you probably have his name, so PM me with his name and I will find out for sure.

So basically, I think my answer is, some pilot was talking $hit with you, and you repeated it as 'fact.' Maybe I'm right???

Also, thank you for recognizing my "intellectual abilities' in your post, but I already know that.

Hope this helps you with this puzzling question.

DA
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I'll grant out that he was full of shyt- that's only marginally less likely than he getting a Group II (or better!) plane recently. Either way, he's flying planes he didn't interview for.

Hey-

never, EVER brag about being a genius- it instantly disqualifies you from making that statement. You would know that already...
 
Sig said:
I'll grant out that he was full of shyt- that's only marginally less likely than he getting a Group II (or better!) plane recently. Either way, he's flying planes he didn't interview for.

Hey-

never, EVER brag about being a genius- it instantly disqualifies you from making that statement. You would know that already...
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Well, getting Group II (or better), which is basically A320/B737, is a long way from A330.

And, please take note (or re-read my posts), I never 'bragged' about being a 'genius' (I never mentioned the word, never will). Not sure if you were 'joking' when 'you' used the word 'genius' as you did not state as such; I was just appreciative of your compliment. However, I have Never talk "BS" like many on this board, and can back up Everything that I say. nuff said.

DA
 
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I do most humbly submit my retraction-my abhorrent, nay, vulgar(!) stupidity is all the more illustrated by the vast intellect at your command. Inasmuch as my subnormality is far removed from the simple masses, yours is in equal measure superior to the mere mortals you simply tolerate day to day.

I prostrate myself before the staggering clarity with which you effortlessly unwind the most vexing of the universes mysteries- with the exception of Occam's Razor, you are indeed the very mostest smartified and thinkingest person that posts here. I truly admire the quiet control you must exercise when performing what has to be the most incredibly difficult job that ever existed: Being you and all that you are and will ever be with such deft humility and patience.

That was "sarcasm." In quotes, too.
 
Sig,
So, pilots that flowed through from Continental Express to Continental are not qualified to be there because they didn't interview for the position? You are joking , right?
 
h2oskier said:
Sig,
So, pilots that flowed through from Continental Express to Continental are not qualified to be there because they didn't interview for the position? You are joking , right?
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No, no, no. I enjoy hearing that there is no flow through, yet folks are flying [Group II or better = not E190] large planes they didn't interview for! That's all.

I'm absolutely certain they're qualified.
 
I believe what Sig was asking was, "If many of the ML pilots at USAirways deny any flowthrough in existence how is it that reportedly 10 former CEL pilots were in the July 9 recall class at USAirways"?

Although it is my understanding none were awarded the 757/767/330.

In 2004 100+ pilots from ALG/PDT flowed into the entity called "MidAtlantic" or USAirway's Embraer division. At this point all are on the USAirways seniority list awaiting possible recall to mainline, yet none of these pilots interviewed & were hired for pilot positions. They got where they are because of the flowthrough provision in our CBA. The same provision that many at the mainline insists doesn't exist.
 
Half the mainline pilots ive had on the jumpseat didnt even know PSA or PDT were a wholly owned. Right now they are more concerned with the competition of who can burn more fuel
 
Why don't you go on the hub and watch the town hall meeting for [Pilot CLT 6/27/07]. There a PDT checkairman asks Scott about it. It looks more like it is management holding it up, then anyone else.

The mainline pilots are not against a flowthrough... At least none that I have ever talked to.
 
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Why don't you go on the hub and watch the town hall meeting for [Pilot CLT 6/27/07]. There a PDT checkairman asks Scott about it. It looks more like it is management holding it up, then anyone else.

The mainline pilots are not against a flowthrough... At least none that I have ever talked to.
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I'm mainline and not against it. Then again I don't know anything about the flowthrough.
 
Someone mentioned the flowthrough at COEX. We no longer have a flowthrough. We have a "pref interview." In fact, we now send more pilots to CAL with the pref interview than we did with the flowthrough. From the mainline standpoint it works better because they can take who they want and are not obligated to take any individuals. From what I understand they got burned by it in the past with some of the problem childs that every carrier has. Now I'll probably get flamed for saying all of this because everyone has a story about "my FO got hired with 1500TT and 500 Turb SIC" but I guess that's the side effect and one that is probably not as common as some like to believe.
 
Did the 10 year regional pilot who managed to flow to Continental's mainline bring any of his senority along with him? I remember this being a big sticking point with our mainline partner when I was at my regional years ago And we had guys with upward of 20 years experience at the place I flew for. This made for a less than enthusiastic response from our mainline partner with regard to any further flow thru discussions.


PHXFLYR:cool:
 
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so let's see here........I believe mainline furloughed folk...J4J went right into a LEFT seat of a 70 seater and 50 seater RJ with higher seniority than aguy at PSA for 15 years without an interview.....and I believe flow thru was in those writings as well....I'll see you in the A350-XWB without an interview....

thanks guys nice ride
 
Clipper_Aurora said:
so let's see here........I believe mainline furloughed folk...J4J went right into a LEFT seat of a 70 seater and 50 seater RJ with higher seniority than aguy at PSA for 15 years without an interview.....and I believe flow thru was in those writings as well....I'll see you in the A350-XWB without an interview....

thanks guys nice ride
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Could it be because they paid for those fancy jets with their jobs at mainline? Without the scope relief that allowed the PSA folks to have those jets they would still be chugging around in Jetstreams.
 
Boeing747Driver said:
I have no problems with a flow up with the understanding that you flow to the bottom of the mainline list.
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absolutly, that's the way I feel about it!!
 
SOVT said, "Could it be because they paid for those fancy jets with their jobs at mainline? Without the scope relief that allowed the PSA folks to have those jets they would still be chugging around in Jetstreams."

Not quite accurate. Without the scope relief that allowed the PSA folks to have those jets, those pilots would have been out of work when the Dorniers were parked in 2004/2005.

(The Jetstreams were sold to Chautauqua in 1995/1996)
 
I'm still having a hard time figuring out why anyone in there right mind would want to flow up to USAirways with all it's looming labor problems when good solid companies like UPS,Fed EX,Continental, and SWA are all hiring. Hell,even Delta NWA and United right out of CH 11 have to be marginally better than working here, and they're taking applications.I just don't get it.


PHXFLYR:cool:
 
PHXFLYR said:
I'm still having a hard time figuring out why anyone in there right mind would want to flow up to USAirways with all it's looming labor problems when good solid companies like UPS,Fed EX,Continental, and SWA are all hiring. Hell,even Delta NWA and United right out of CH 11 have to be marginally better than working here.I just don't get it.


PHXFLYR
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Along those same lines, why are women attracted to tough "bad boys" who invariably kick them to the curb? Same rationale I would guess.
 
johnsonrod said:
Along those same lines, why are women attracted to tough "bad boys" who invariably kick them to the curb? Same rationale I would guess.
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Yeah,that's it. Sort of an aeronautical version of the "battered wife's syndrome",I guess.:rolleyes:



PHXFLYR:cool:
 

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