Urgent Multi-Time question!

[legaleagle]

I need to know ASAP. Sorry for the rush. When the airlines/135's, etc. are looking for multi time of 100-200, I assume that is PIC time, not time with an MEI before ME is acheived. Thanks!

 

[bobbysamd]

Multi PIC time

You assume correctly. Any time you have built with "Airplane Multiengine Land" on your pilot certificate counts as multiengine PIC. Time you have logged receiving multiengine instruction before earning your multi rating certainly counts as multiengine time but not as PIC multi. Cf. 14 CFR 61.51(4), in which you could log the time as PIC if you were flying the multi as a student pilot solo. During the old days of twelve years ago and slightly later, you could only log such time as solo.

Hope this helps and comes to you soon enough.

 

[legaleagle]

Thank you very much!

 

[PennEagle]

Um.....

I agree with Bobbysamd's response, apart from the first sentence.

I would say that if Airline X seeks 200 Multi, that would be total multi time, not just PIC. The 5-10 hrs one spends getting the Commercial Multi (for example) can be counted in that total.

 

[bobbysamd]

Um.....

I would say that if Airline X seeks 200 Multi, that would be total multi time, not just PIC. The 5-10 hrs one spends getting the Commercial Multi (for example) can be counted in that total.

If the airline is counting total multi time, including dual and SIC, I would agree. But, if it is asking for multi PIC, it is asking for the time logged after earning the rating. I realize everyone is starving for multi time, but I would still put down strictly what they're asking for.

Your resume is another matter. Your resume is your document. I never differentiated between multi and multi PIC on my resume. I listed all my multi time on my resume as "multiengine" and it is what you see at the left. (I never had any SIC time.) I was careful to complete the time grid on apps precisely in accordance with their directions. Remember the philosophy of completing a job application; it is another form of written exam. In this case, your ability to follow directions is being tested.

 

[legaleagle]

Penn, I'm pretty sure that Bobby is right. Otherwise, no one would have an incentive to get the multi, they could just ride around with a MEI. The decision making as PIC, preferably sole or (solo) PIC is what makes you proficient.

 

[deadstick]

no one would have an incentive to get the multi, they could just ride around with a MEI. The decision making as PIC, preferably sole or (solo) PIC is what makes you proficient.

Ummm...except you have to have the AMEL rating to qualify for the job and that dead weight in the other seat (MEI)is costing you another $30-60/hr. And few FBO's will let somebody take a twin without the rating...and...

Log it per the FARs (that's the only standard) and tailor your resume to fit the company. the FARs state that dual received (when rated) is PIC and that sole manip is PIC. LOG IT! If Company X doesn't accept that, then don't include it on the application/resume. Many remember the COEX grid from heII that asked for times logged between 4am and 5:52 pm in the Southern Hemisphere everyother Saturday. When you get your PPL you hae no idea what compnay X is going to ask for 5 yrs from now, what are you to do? Follow the FARs. I didn't make the cut at COEX online because it asked for fixed-wing time ONLY (that's a topic for later), but I'm not going to scratch-out a few hundreds of hours because this company doesn't like it. Their loss. Log it per the FARs and tailor your resume accordingly.

Sermon over.
Carry on.

 

[JeffSKDTW]

Log it per the FARs (that's the only standard) and tailor your resume to fit the company.

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When you get your PPL you hae no idea what compnay X is going to ask for 5 yrs from now, what are you to do? Follow the FARs.

To a layman such as myself, those seem like excellent points.

 

[PennEagle]

and to sum up....

These are all good points, none of which I disagree with. But, in answer to the original post, you have 200 multi when you have 200 multi total time.... and you have to have the multi rating to get hired.

If some application form/grid has a specific line entry for Multi PIC then that's exactly what should go in there.... but legaleagle did'nt mention that in his original post.....

As for, "What makes you proficient" .. That's a whole new post....

 

[wickedpilot]

Re: Multi PIC time

... Any time you have built with "Airplane Multiengine Land" on your pilot certificate counts as multiengine PIC. ...

So here's a question for ya, I have my Comm. Multi. I flew right seat in a BE-200. The captain was an MEI. It was an IFR 135 op. w/ 3-axis auto-pilot (ie. only needed one crew member to operate) Can I put down the flight time as PIC? It was my first flight in the King Air and I hesitate to log anything other than TT and Dual received.

 

[English]

Re: Re: Multi PIC time

So here's a question for ya, I have my Comm. Multi. I flew right seat in a BE-200. The captain was an MEI. It was an IFR 135 op. w/ 3-axis auto-pilot (ie. only needed one crew member to operate) Can I put down the flight time as PIC? It was my first flight in the King Air and I hesitate to log anything other than TT and Dual received.

The only person that can log PIC time on a 135 flight is the captain who is presumably qualified as a 135 PIC on the King Air. Even if you were sole manipulator (which is not legal on a 135 flight), you cannot log it. You cannot log it as total time or dual, either. You cannot receive dual instruction on a 135 flight. Go ask your captain to show you the ops specs for his company. Why log total time? You weren't flying (if you were and you logged it you'd have proof of busting a reg), you weren't receiving dual (if you were and you logged it you'd have proof of busting a reg) and you certainly weren't PIC (if you logged this, the next question would be, let me see your 299 paperwork). So, use it for experience, not for timebuilding. Or better yet, ask the captain if he can take you along on part 91 flights.

 

[wickedpilot]

Correction, it was a 135 flight when the passenger was aboard, but I only flew the empty (91) legs. The entire flight time (both 135 & 91) was 3.0 The captain put 3.0 TT and 3.0 Dual Received in my logbook. <- Is that something that should be changed? If so, why?

 

[deadstick]

You CANNOT log time on a 135 flight unless you are employed by the carrier, trained IAW the Training Manual, and you hold an 8410 (PIC or SIC) in the type. You can log dual for the 91 leg, but for the 135 leg you are a passenger. You are not allowed to perform any crew duties, and you cannot even touch the controls without meeting those criteria. CYA: change the logbook. Your ticket isn't worth an hour or so of time.