UPS pilots too good to ride in an RJ?

[80for80]

My F/O was talking to a friend of his at UPS recently and told him that in their new contract they have a clause that prohibits them from riding in an RJ for more that 2 1/2 hrs in a duty period. Are they too goody goody to ride with us lowly RJ pilots? Plus, how does the company ever expect them to get anywhere now, since RJs are everywhere?

 

[imacdog]

I wouldn't want to ride in an RJ for 2.5+ either. Just because some of the RJs can do that, doesn't mean they should.

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

Have you sat in the back of a 73 lately?

 

[VABB]

Have you sat in the back of a 73 lately?

Yeah, but a 737 is a REAL airplane.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Yeah, but a 737 is a REAL airplane.

And USA Jets is a real airline.

 

[VABB]

And USA Jets is a real airline.

It is now since they started flying passengers.

 

[ReportCanoa]

Oh, please.

 

[32LT10]

I don't blame them. Riding an RJ is like sitting on a slatted bench. Not bad for the first five minutes but anything longer and you start to squirm. Of course the RJ's I have flown it seems the seat belt sign is a system switch not covered in RJpilot School. They leave it on for the entire duration of the flight, never make a PA about the arrival time or weather. If they do give the weather they give information like cloud heights which is very good if you are flying but useless for the pax. They want to know, sunny, cloudy, breezy etc.

Good for UPS. Wish we had that provision. I know a few of our guys are being sent around the system on United's Excuse as DH's.

 

[VABB]

Oh, please.

Your AVERAGE USA Jet captain makes MORE than any regional jet captain.

And by the way, lunch does not consist of peanut butter packets taken from the hotel and a loaf of bread.

 

[ReportCanoa]

Oh, please

 

[VABB]

Oh, please

Oh, please....what?

 

[ReportCanoa]

The reason the seat belt sign isn't used anymore is the liability factor. The company is gonna curb stomp your as-s if you have it off and someone gets hurt. It's happened before, and I leave it on if in doubt. As for the weather, well, there's some broken clouds at five thousand, and the winds are 270 at 8 with better than six miles of visibility. How's that?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Your AVERAGE USA Jet captain makes MORE than any regional jet captain.

And by the way, lunch does not consist of peanut butter packets taken from the hotel and a loaf of bread.

New Flash: Archaeologists Discover that the DC-9 Was the Original RJ!

http://www.dc-9.com/dc-9-Design.htm

Origins The vision that Douglas had for the DC-9 was that it would be a highly reliable, quiet and economical short-range jet. It was to have the ability to operate from runways as short as 5,000 ft and with the goal of bringing the speed and comfort of the jet age to hundreds of smaller towns.
Initial studies were made for the DC-9 in the late 1950's. It was envisioned that the DC-9 would operate on routes between 100 and 1,500 miles in length, that typically had less traffic demand. It designing the DC-9, lenght of runways was considered. Most airports at the time were still adapted to the needs of piston aircraft and lackd the longer runways necessary for jets. Short field perofrmance was critical to the success of the DC-9.


So, not only are you a cargo dog, you're also a regional jet captain. Welcome to the club, baby.

 

[BenderGonzales]

How about you just say, "Partly cloudy skies, light winds out of the west, and a temperature of 72 degrees".

You guys need to think like the customer.

 

[shamrock]

You guys need to think like the customer.

Concourse C in Atlanta, I go to Wendy's, get treated like crap, and get a "meal" for about $3 or I go to Popeye's, get treated a bit better, and pay more for my food. I choose the kid's meal at Wendy's.

And as for the original topic here, I say good for the UPS pilots.

 

[EMBPILOT1]

My F/O was talking to a friend of his at UPS recently and told him that in their new contract they have a clause that prohibits them from riding in an RJ for more that 2 1/2 hrs in a duty period. Are they too goody goody to ride with us lowly RJ pilots? Plus, how does the company ever expect them to get anywhere now, since RJs are everywhere?

It's called getting a good QOL provision in a contract. It has nothing to do with the "pilots". And when I flew an RJ, I hated every second that I was stuck deadheading in the back of one.

 

[enuffalready]

It's called getting a good QOL provision in a contract. It has nothing to do with the "pilots". And when I flew an RJ, I hated every second that I was stuck deadheading in the back of one.

I agree. I still fly the RJ and ALWAYS avoid it when nonreving. I wish i could put a clause in our contract that says no dead heading in the RJ.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Good for UPS. Give them credit for seeing the future of Domestic travel and trying to avoid it like the plague. Don't they also have a clause that all Commercial International Deadheading is Business Class only?

I've flown on both the 50 (ERJ and CRJ) and 70 seaters, and I hate the seats as well.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Maybe members of their negotiating committee have visited the regionals board on flightinfo.com and determined that the lack of maturity shown by RJ pilots is a safety concern.

Just spitballin' here.

 

[MJG]

Well given the choice of a middle seat on any "cabin class" aircraft, vs. any seat on an EMB RJ (they are all either a window, an aisle seat or both) I'll take the RJ any day. At least I won't get to the destination knowing what my two neighbors favorite deodorant brand is.

 

[texarkana]

Not to play mean here but if you go to the ops building at any UPS hub you will notice that alot of those dudes are... uh.... slightly aged and rotund. When I'm 55+ and overweight I wont ride in RJs either

 

[crxpilot]

Friends dont let friends ride in RJ's for more than 2 hours (one is bad enough)

 

[KaptainKarl]

Concourse C in Atlanta, I go to Wendy's, get treated like crap, and get a "meal" for about $3 or I go to Popeye's, get treated a bit better, and pay more for my food. I choose the kid's meal at Wendy's

Nail was struck squarely on the head. Um, I mean ( for "Crunk") :

I believe the nail was struck squarely on the head.

 

[VABB]

.....

 

[ReportCanoa]

R U serious? VABB forgot to log out.

 

[OPECJet]

Good for the UPS pilots. I hate riding in an RJ (any airplane for that matter) that I'm not flying.

 

[CherryBomb]

Maybe members of their negotiating committee have visited the regionals board on flightinfo.com and determined that the lack of maturity shown by RJ pilots is a safety concern.

Just spitballin' here.

Heck yeah,

UPS values the lives of their pilots and they dont want them traveling on an airplane being operated by a 500 hour pilot....

Nothing against the captains, but do you guys really think that if the captain became unable to fly the airplane, do you think that 500 hour FO could handle it????

 

[Superpilot92]

Heck yeah,

UPS values the lives of their pilots and they dont want them traveling on an airplane being operated by a 500 hour pilot....

Nothing against the captains, but do you guys really think that if the captain became unable to fly the airplane, do you think that 500 hour FO could handle it????

In fact yes i do believe so. What makes you think that its unsafe to fly on a regional carrier. I would be more worried about flying in the Falcons and Lear CherryBombs your in, not because of the pilots but the aircraft. I know a few people at Cherry and I respect everyone of them. Not every FO at a regional is a 500 hour wonder boss.

 

[ReportCanoa]

Nothing against the captains, but do you guys really think that if the captain became unable to fly the airplane, do you think that 500 hour FO could handle it????

PfffffffP, no.

 

[blackbox]

I do agree that the RJ is a lil cramped and it shouldnt be used for flight longer than 2 hours. But with the provision arent UPS pilots just limiting themselves? What if they are done with their trip and the next flight back to SDF/ONT/any other UPS base is in an RJ? So that means they are just gonna delay their trip home by a few hours just because u dont want to sit in an RJ? kinda silly to me.

I commute, I dont care what kind of plane i am in, or where my seat is. As long as it gets me home. I aint gonna skip that flight and wait for the next flight that leaves 2 hours later, jus so i can ride in an airbus or Boeing.