UPS Flt. 6 Air Accident Preliminary Report

[ual321]

http://www.gcaa.gov.ae/en/ePublicat...Report B747-400F - N571UP - Report 132010.pdf



http://inside.ipapilot.org/sff/

 

[HA25]

it is so utterly sad that because only two died on this flight, it was a non-story on the networks.. The fact that it's very dangerous to transport Li batteries via air is also never going to get the needed media attention.... result, the current congress is trying to tie the FAA's hands in limiting the transport of same.

 

[ual321]

http://www.gcaa.ae/en/epublication/pages/investigationreport.aspx

Reference No 13/2010


Hopefully that link will work

 

[Flyer1015]

The CAPT advised BAH-C that there was a fire indication on the main deck of the aircraft. The crew informed BAH-C that they needed to land as soon as possible. BAH-C advised the crew that Doha International Airport (DOH) was at the aircraft’s 10 o’clock position at 100 NM DME. DOH was the nearest airport at the time the emergency was declared, DXB was approximately 148 NM DME. The CAPT elected to return to DXB,

Ouch! I can only imagine the final report will put part of the blame on them for not diverting to the nearest airport. That 48 nm difference would be the difference between life and death. Considering they actually got an approach towards DXB, but went around, they would have had a better chance with nearest suitable airport that was 48nm closer. Other interesting things include CA total time on the B744 as 367 hours and the FO's B744 time only 78 hours.

The human performance group of the GCAA will have to ask that question, "Why not Doha? Why Dubai?" Clearly, the crew stated they needed to land 'as soon as possible' so what made them divert to an airport even further away than the nearest (DOH)? Crew familiarity with an airport, charts already ready, etc? The human performance group will find out, I just hope the GCAA group is as competent as the NTSB.

 

[ackattacker]

it is so utterly sad that because only two died on this flight, it was a non-story on the networks.. The fact that it's very dangerous to transport Li batteries via air is also never going to get the needed media attention.... result, the current congress is trying to tie the FAA's hands in limiting the transport of same.

This is on the money.

Shipping significant quantities of Lithium Ion batteries is ridiculously dangerous. The fact that they are not classified as HazMat is a crime. Might as well be shipping roadside flares and packing them in boxes of strike anywhere matches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU&feature=grec_index

 

[embpic1]

It looks like the QRH helped seal their fate. In a main deck fire there needs to be constant airflow to the cockpit. When the main deck fire switch is armed packs 2&3 are turned off automatically and the #1 pack is restricted to 600CFM solely to the flight deck. If pack 1 is unavailable then pack 3 takes over. This is done to keep the smoke out of the cockpit. The QRH for main deck cargo fire has you backup the auto shut down of the affected packs (in this case 2&3) by turning the packs off. Unfortunately, shortly after they accomplished the QRH and shut down packs 2&3 pack #1 tripped. The crew did not notice such a small EICAS message with all hell breaking loose. This unfortunately left them with no fresh air inflow to the cockpit. Had the QRH not had them turn off the affected packs, then the #3 pack would have come on when pack #1 tripped. Truly a very sad accident.

 

[brownie]

Ouch! I can only imagine the final report will put part of the blame on them for not diverting to the nearest airport. That 48 nm difference would be the difference between life and death. Considering they actually got an approach towards DXB, but went around, they would have had a better chance with nearest suitable airport that was 48nm closer. Other interesting things include CA total time on the B744 as 367 hours and the FO's B744 time only 78 hours.

The human performance group of the GCAA will have to ask that question, "Why not Doha? Why Dubai?" Clearly, the crew stated they needed to land 'as soon as possible' so what made them divert to an airport even further away than the nearest (DOH)? Crew familiarity with an airport, charts already ready, etc? The human performance group will find out, I just hope the GCAA group is as competent as the NTSB.

The reason the FO had only 78 hrs on the airplane and no previous 74 time is because ups decided to fulough 108 experience 74 FO's (if you remember when ups decided to open anc domicile they required all applicants to have hvy and preferably 74 time which they did) so they were blinded by money again and thier usual mismanagment of this place they pulled the furlough trigger and replaced 108 with the guys with no 74 time from the lower 48. Fo Bell RIP and his soul will be free forever. Shame on ups and thier greedy managment.:angryfire

 

[BoilerUP]

Ouch! I can only imagine the final report will put part of the blame on them for not diverting to the nearest airport. That 48 nm difference would be the difference between life and death. Considering they actually got an approach towards DXB, but went around, they would have had a better chance with nearest suitable airport that was 48nm closer.

Don't you think that's Monday-morning quarterbacking a bit much?

They "went around" OMDB because FO Bell was flying the airplane by himself, in a hot and smoke-obscured cockpit, lacking oxygen, after the captain presumably collapsed trying to retrieve a portable O2 bottle and was doing 340kts at 4500' across the airport boundary. Oh yeah, and the flight controls weren't working properly either.

When you read the report and think about that situation, its a heroic feat of airmanship that he got the plane as far as he did...and a miracle by God, Allah or both that it didn't hit the Emirates crew compound or any other housing on the ground.

Maybe they'd be alive had they gone to Doha instead of tried to return to Dubai.

Maybe they'd be alive if UPS had equipped their aircraft with EVAS, a $10,000 investment for a $200M+ airplane.

Maybe they'd be alive if any real lessons were learned from the DC-8 that burned up in Philly a few years ago and only made it to the airport because Douglas built a damn strong airplane.

The cards were stacked against Capt. Lampe & FO Bell *greatly*...bless them for fighting to the very end.

 

[filejw]

Guys all above is true but please remember time is everything in a smoke and fire emergency. Don't let emotions get in the way when learning a lesson from this.

 

[Wankel7]

I don't understand why the oxygen supply didn't last longer. But if you can't see the hand in front of you I guess that doesn't mater.

What a sad report to read.