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United snags $1B in loans, buys time to reorganize

By Marilyn Adams, USA TODAY
United Airlines and three big lenders Wednesday finalized $1 billion in new bankruptcy financing that gives the giant airline another year to reorganize in Chapter 11 protection.
The new loan is designed to give United, in reorganization for 19 months, until June 2005 to cut more costs and revise its business plan, said Bill Repko, restructuring chief at J.P. Morgan Chase.

The loan package will be split among J.P. Morgan and Citigroup, United's existing lead lenders, and GE Commercial Finance. United is a significant customer of General Electric, which makes aircraft engines and finances aircraft.

Neither the banks nor United would disclose specific terms or conditions of the loan package.

The new loan agreement "is a positive statement: We wanted to show that United is adequately financed," Repko said. "This will give United adequate liquidity and ample time" to redraw its business plan.

The development comes just weeks after a federal panel denied United's application for a $1.6 billion loan guarantee to help United exit bankruptcy.

The Air Transportation Stabilization Board said United didn't need a federal guarantee to get financing because the credit markets have improved since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, which prompted Congress to establish the guarantee program.

United filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in December 2002 with plans to emerge as a reorganized company by last month. That didn't happen. Now, United must line up private loans or obtain exit capital from an investor who would get a stake in the airline.

Following the government's denial last month, analysts said United's cash could run dangerously low by year's end. At the end of the first quarter, United had less available cash relative to its size than any other major airline. Despite major cuts in labor and aircraft costs, United is posting big losses amid weak airfares and high fuel prices.

GE Commercial Finance confirmed the deal was being finalized Wednesday night.

United spokeswoman Jean Medina said the airline is pleased with the extension.

United's existing bankruptcy loans had been extended to Dec. 31. But industry experts said the new loan deal isn't premature.

"United has to get itself reorganized, so it's not too early," said analyst Ray Neidl of Blaylock & Partners.

Last week, United took another step to bolster cash, deferring a $72 million scheduled payment for its employees' pension plans. Experts say it's a sign United, whose pension plans are underfunded by billions of dollars, may be forced to revise those plans in bankruptcy. Another pension payment is due in September.
 
You can bet this loan has covenants, and will be disbursed based on the achievement of those covenants through next June. I'm sure the interest rate is competitive, but the covenants will force UAL to become more streamlined. This should include a reduction of existing payroll and workrules. I would also think the covenants will include a reduction in size. It will be interesting to see how this is achieved by June 05.
 
Lowecur, current work rules have pilots and FAs bumping up against FAA maximums. It's getting to the point where LCCs have better work rules than UAL. How much more work rule changes are you expecting?
 
If they eliminate the pension plan, then it will only be a matter of time before other airlines do the same.
Another reason UAL is harmful to the profession.
 
greyhound said:
If they eliminate the pension plan, then it will only be a matter of time before other airlines do the same.
Another reason UAL is harmful to the profession.
So how harmful are those pilot groups who have NEVER HAD a pension? Just trying to understand you're convaluted logic. BTW, we all should probably accept these times as the sunset of pensions...
 
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Very sad to see, but I agree that the pension's days are numbered.

I am on furlough from a carrier that has no pension plan. The talk was going on for a long time about trying to get one.

I think the game is switching to defense, in that area of pilot compensation.

Those who have them, hang on. Those of us who don't can just forget about.

At least until that pilot shortage they have been promising shows up.

I got faith in Kit Darby!!!!!
 
greyhound said:
If they eliminate the pension plan, then it will only be a matter of time before other airlines do the same.
Another reason UAL is harmful to the profession.
You know I saw one of Northwest's old shorty DC-9s the other day. I would guess it holds about 100 seats. Now, how well have NWA crews been compensated flying that airplane over its many years of service vs. what crews in the future will be looking at to fly the latest creations holding a similar number of seats?

Ahhh, never mind. It is all United's fault.
 
I agree with Nimtz,

BTW, we all should probably accept these times as the sunset of pensions...
I can't believe anyone can still bring themselves to put up a post suggesting the possibility of the future existance/survival of a pension plan at any legacy carrier in this nation. This item has been sold down the river, never to return. Witness to that fact are all the early retirement guys at Delta, high-tailing it with their lump-sum payouts.
 
So how harmful are those pilot groups who have NEVER HAD a pension? Just trying to understand you're convaluted logic. BTW, we all should probably accept these times as the sunset of pensions...



Pensions are all but dead in the Private sector. Govt. will follow suit eventually. The old days of double dipping Pension/Social security are going to be gone.

Mark

 

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