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Yeah, what the heck ever happened with that? Are they ever going to release the details? This has to be some kind of record wait from announcing a TA to releasing the TA to the membership.
August 3rd.
CAL MEC Update 19 Oct
Turning to the TA, the JNC continues their work in Chicago. As of tomorrow (Saturday), they will have undergone a nineteen-day continuous push. I would like to be able to announce a completed TA as of this weekend, but despite very good progress made again this week, there remain a few language items to finalize. The JNC will provide a more detailed update tomorrow.
I am prepared to call the MEC into session when the TA is completed in its entirety. I have asked our staff to make the necessary arrangements so that there will no delays once the TA is done. I must also report that, despite my best efforts, so far the NMB has not released us from the gag order. As such, we are still not able to offer any new information. I know there are a lot of rumors out there. Like any set of rumors, some are partially accurate, some are very accurate and others are laughable. I can only say that no one wants the complete TA in your hands more than I do. No contract can or should be viewed or valued based on bits and pieces. A single chapter in a book never tells the whole story. As I have said many times since the AIP was reached, this is not a perfect contract. Negotiations, almost by definition, simply do not produce perfection. It is important to remember that just as one should not look at the positives of an agreement in isolation, the perceived faults should be viewed in the context of the entire deal as well.
Some pilots have looked at the few parts that were leaked and already announced their assessment of the entire contract, whether they thought it had merit or was devoid of value. I do not think doing so is fair to the MEC or to the rest of the pilot group who do want to look at the complete TA before making a decision. To take this fundamental right from our governing body or the pilots we represent would do a disservice to both. I have, throughout this process, had confidence in the JNC to negotiate for the absolute most value possible for all 12,000 pilots. I have confidence in the CAL MEC to consider the TA that is produced and determine whether or not it should be forwarded to the pilot group for ratification. And I have absolute confidence in our pilots if and when they are asked to vote on the TA, in its entirety.
Turning to the TA, the JNC continues their work in Chicago. As of tomorrow (Saturday), they will have undergone a nineteen-day continuous push. I would like to be able to announce a completed TA as of this weekend, but despite very good progress made again this week, there remain a few language items to finalize. The JNC will provide a more detailed update tomorrow.
I am prepared to call the MEC into session when the TA is completed in its entirety. I have asked our staff to make the necessary arrangements so that there will no delays once the TA is done. I must also report that, despite my best efforts, so far the NMB has not released us from the gag order. As such, we are still not able to offer any new information. I know there are a lot of rumors out there. Like any set of rumors, some are partially accurate, some are very accurate and others are laughable. I can only say that no one wants the complete TA in your hands more than I do. No contract can or should be viewed or valued based on bits and pieces. A single chapter in a book never tells the whole story. As I have said many times since the AIP was reached, this is not a perfect contract. Negotiations, almost by definition, simply do not produce perfection. It is important to remember that just as one should not look at the positives of an agreement in isolation, the perceived faults should be viewed in the context of the entire deal as well.
Some pilots have looked at the few parts that were leaked and already announced their assessment of the entire contract, whether they thought it had merit or was devoid of value. I do not think doing so is fair to the MEC or to the rest of the pilot group who do want to look at the complete TA before making a decision. To take this fundamental right from our governing body or the pilots we represent would do a disservice to both. I have, throughout this process, had confidence in the JNC to negotiate for the absolute most value possible for all 12,000 pilots. I have confidence in the CAL MEC to consider the TA that is produced and determine whether or not it should be forwarded to the pilot group for ratification. And I have absolute confidence in our pilots if and when they are asked to vote on the TA, in its entirety.
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Just to play devil's advocate, maybe they were taking weekends off the other 8 weeks. Is everything so black or white in your life?
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with 10,000 applications on file of people hoping to land their dream job at a second class airline, because it is so much better than a 5th or 11th class airline.
"The Parties intend to negotiate a JCBA so that, taking into account the period for completing full contract language in plain clear terms and for necessary management and ALPA approvals, ratification and signatures, it will take effect on the Merger Closing Date. To achieve this goal, negotiations will begin pursuant to Section 6 of the RLA on or about August 10, 2010, and unless they otherwise agree the JNCs will then meet in direct negotiations at least four whole or partial days every week until October 5, 2010 with the intent of completing the negotiations within that eight-week period." -- TPA 2010
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Neither company nor the NMB rep will respect an MEC no vote even though they legally have to honor it of course. NMB can say she tried her best and is going home. Company can say the will of the pilots was never known, it was just those union hotheads, and therefore they'll just keep up the abuse of the last years.
I hope the MECs pass it and then the pilots vote it down, with prejudice, with a vote similar to the strike vote. 95% participation, 99% no. Only THAT will get the attention of the NMB and the company to realize how far off the mark they were. Going into the holidays the company will fear more summer of 2012 fun perhaps even APA style and will immediately up the offer to get it done and prevent a meltdown.
Or not, and we move the next phase of the legal process, eventually leading to release to strike. THIS is the only language the company hears.
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Tell you what skippy There isn't 10000 apps on file here. This place sucks. Always have, always will. I was wearing rose colored glasses "think Elton john" when I got hired on. "How bad can it be?" I soon found out.
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Right CAL sucks more than JUS, K2, Royal flying service, IFL and Ameristar, you are funny:beer:
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Shhh... don't want to stir the bees nest. jay might not get that comfy corner office with a window view
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