Union busting thwarted at BMA

[Go around]

PORTSMOUTH - A U.S. District Court judge has found that Pan Am Airlines illegally attempted to transfer its passenger service to a subsidiary airline with the intention of busting the Airline Pilots Association union and has put a stop to that process.

"Accordingly, the court adopts the magistrate’s determination that the transfer of 727 operations from Pan Am to Boston-Maine (Airlines) constituted a direct attempt to destroy a union," wrote Judge Joseph A. DiClerico Jr. in his decision issued Wednesday.



In that ruling, DiClerico made permanent a temporary injunction he had issued against Pan Am last month. In doing so, the judge was following the recommendations in a report issued earlier in the month by Magistrate James R. Muirhead.

As one reason for concluding that the shift in air operations was an attempt by corporate officers to get out from under a collective bargaining agreement Pan Am had with the pilot’s union, Muirhead’s report cited the fact that Boston-Maine Airways was intending, after Pan Am’s planned discontinuance of operations on Oct. 1, to fly the same routes Pan Am had been flying. Boston-Maine was not a party to the agreement, and its pilots are not unionized.

http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/10142004/news/42860.htm

 

[mkingmei]

Good for them

Fink deserves everything he gets. He is one of the lowest forms of being. Money can't buy everything. Sc$#w him, and anyone else who thought that was a good idea.

2 cents

 

[rvsm410]

Thas confirms what happened to us!

Well this story and the dates explain why several people and I were asked to interview for pilot and Dispatch (me) positions last March We all arrived at the SFB airport the day of the interviews in PSM and told that ALL interviews had been cancelled that Morning UFN, there was no reason given..... and no further communication from the company...

I hope the the best for all....

 

[Capt_robert]

GoAround

I think you are wrong. A freind of mine just received is termination letter, effective the end of Oct. It looks like ALPA won, but also lost.
Sorry to think that some good pilots are out of work.

 

[Go around]

Got my furlough letter today.

It looks like BMA is pushing the envelope. I’m sure the Federal Judge will have something to say about it in the very near future. That said, I’d rather be out on the street than flying around scabbing on fellow pilots.

 

[Stall]

Hey GO AROUND
Got mine too. Tell ya what I WILL get a BMA pilot list (No seniority at scumbag air) and I can guarantee you that when their house of crap falls apart that list is gonna be ONE of the problems they will have seeking employment. Good luck scumbags! The word has been out about you guys.

 

[727PAA]

Hey Stall

Okay...I too got my letter. I too am upset with the situation and shortsightedness of some of the people on this board. Though before we go crapping on all the BMA pilots, lets see what happens in the next few weeks.

I believe that there are some bad people at BMA, but, like Crusty TWA guy says. They might not cross a picket line. They may in fact become our allies in our fight with the management. No need to unduly piss someone off if we don't have to.

Read my post in the BMA interview thread. It looks like they might be pawns too. If enough of them realize that the real enemy is the managment..including some of the guys that already made this mistake once at Eastern. Then perhaps on November 1st(pending judge's decisions of course) he won't have enough pilots to fly anyway.

Just my .02 and dont' worry I'm mad as heck too. Just mostly with the mgmt and guys that might not work for BMA as pilots, but, in fact may be managers just trying to get us to piss each other off even more.

Now November 1st is a totally different ball game!!!

 

[Stall]

727PAA
Your right the pilots shouldn't be a target just yet. There is just a few there that I cannot stand (right now). I appologize to some...But not all!

 

[skootertrash]

Those poor guys. PA has locked them out and Furloughed all the pilots. Looks like the pilots loose either way.

 

[Kyzer Socei]

Look, to keep it simple. The writing's been on the wall for years. It's a shame that some of you chose to "ride this pig into the ground" instead of putting your efforts into something positive. Still I read that you guys have animosity towards the BMA pilot group who had no part of pink slipping you. Management did that.
So CHECK your displaced anger. Flying jobs at PAA and BMA are like purgatory. You wait there until something better (or worse) comes a long.

 

[wheelsup]

How would the pilots at BMA be scabs? Yes they are taking PA's flights but c'mon, they couldn't control that. It's the parent company that deserves to take the blame.

That's like saying that if ASA tanks (I know, I know, they won't, just an example) and the management sells their contracts to CHQ, then the CHQ pilots are scabs because they're now flying the old ASA routes. I thought scabs were people that crossed pickett lines in order to get a job (but I'm still new to the industry...).

~wheelsup

 

[Megadeth]

Hey Stall, most of the BMA pilots are furloughed from major airlines you probably coulden't get hired at like Delta, American, United etc. with unlimited recall. Lots of friends still there. Maybe we'll get your name and pass it around.

 

[727PAA]

Here we go again.

For those that are new to this discussion a little recap.

The Pan Am pilots are represented by ALPA
The ownership of Pan Am also owns Boston-Maine.
Boston-Maine flew J31's and CASA 212's in an affiliate relationship with Pan Am

Then mangement decided to try to get rid of the union. They worked for two years to get the 727 approved on the BMA certificate, doing so in July of this year. The combined managments then decided to reduce Pan Am's flying to subcontract work to BMA. Managment said in court that they were going to shut down PAA on Oct 31st and BMA would immediately take over all the PAA flying. ALPA has gone to federal court and has been granted an injunction against BMA or the two companies parent from transferring work or aircraft to BMA to get rid of the union contracts.

BMA/PAA managment continues to flaunt the judges ruling by selling tickets on BMA starting 1 November, and using BMA crews and aircraft to fly trips that should be flown by the PAA pilot group.

If the courts do not stop the furlough of PAA pilots on Oct 31st then we will be effectively in a lock out situation. When that happens I am very much certain that there will be a picket line. On November first will be the one and only time that any BMA pilot can or would be called a scab. The choice will be theirs!

Wheels, I will go with your analogy, except:
ASA is a union carrier.
Delta decides they want to buy CHQ, put CRJ200's on their certificate, and then do away with ASA as they give all previous flying to the CHQ pilots because they don't have a union or contract. You are absolutely correct about Management being to blame.

The problem is that managment is working on the divide and conquer scheme. They piss off the PAA pilots...who perhaps wrongly take some of their anger out on the BMA pilots, who in turn get mad enough that they'll want to cross a picket line just to get back at us.

Here's a quick example of what the BMA/PAA management is all about:
Sept 2002 60% of the pilot/fa/mechanics get furloughed. This triggers a law called the WARN Act which says that if you have a major lay off you have to give 60 days notice or give your employees 60 days pay. ALPA went to court to get this law enforced for all employees effected by the layoff. Managment went out of their way to make sure only the pilots would be represented in the lawsuit because they were the only ones represented by ALPA. Do you think the mechs and F/A's should have a federal law apply to them or is it just the folks that can afford a lawyer.

Kyzer you are right many of us have been hoping since 9/11 that something better will come along...can you help us out?

 

[Lightning]

Megadeth, You seem very satisfied with the current events. I was just wondering, why do think BMA will be more successful than PAA has been?

 

[Go around]

Quality of Life

You know we at PAA and BMA are both sleeping with the devil. The difference is that this PAA guy knows it. The PAA guys have a collective bargaining agreement to take care of some of the burns.

When a pilot scabs he really dumps on himself. He tarnishes his profession by his willingness to put other airmen out on the street. I find it pathetic that the alleged esteemed furloughed major airline pilots or even a neophyte would even consider reducing themselves to the level of a SCAB.

He who wishes to take this short cut negates, quality of life, fair and equitable remuneration for skills and experience derived from years of dedication and sacrifice. This person is a desperate individual.


There is now and never will be any honor in circumventing experience,
competitiveness and skill. The alternative is to sneak around the former and SCAB for this Mgmt’s mirror image company.

I know and have always known that this place was considered by some or most to be a scumbag carrier. I had always hoped that Mgmt would endeavor to succeed and place PA’s name back to where it was esteemed among other carriers and the public at large. This has not happened. I am confounded in the fact that some posts blame this entirely on the PAA pilots.

I was offered a job with BMA and I am proud to declare that I will not SCAB for any carrier and especially not for one whom is considered by most if not all to be the bottom of scumbags.

 

[Kyzer Socei]

727paa.........I'm thoroughly aware of what's going on over there.
You had another fllying job while out on furlough from Pan Am.It may not have been any good but.. You're the one who chose to come back to Pan Am. Now this is the situation you're in. It's a dog eat dog world and you're the milk bone. Thank managment for that one

 

[Kyzer Socei]

The problem is that managment is working on the divide and conquer scheme. They piss off the PAA pilots...who perhaps wrongly take some of their anger out on the BMA pilots, who in turn get mad enough that they'll want to cross a picket line just to get back at us.

727paa. Let it go!!!!This is suck a crock of sh?t that you're spooling up!!.

 

[727PAA]

Well,

Glad to see managment has finally showed up on this board. Since you feel you know who I am and what I am about. Why not say who you are? I have said right from the start that I am a PAA pilot. The only guy I can find who actually works at BMA is CrustyTWA and so I have respect for his opinions and hope that we can fly together at Pan Am someday.

Since no one else seems to work there....stop defending something that you can't.

I am not stirring anything. In fact I am trying to keep calmer heads about some of the folks here at Pan Am that want to blame the BMA pilots right now. What I really hope for is that the J31 and CASA guys don't get lumped together with anyone that crosses a line after October 31.

You are right and this is place is a pile of feces. I think perhaps that with the pilots that are at BMA's help that we can stop the outsourcing of our jobs.

 

[727PAA]

Ut oh...

I don't know what is going on, but, all 727 flights after Oct 31st have been cancelled including the ones flown by BMA(PAA Clipper Connection). Reservations says they will refund any tickets.

 

[n706us]

ALPA Lost Again

Review for your self in the court documents - ALPA Lost again