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The maximum anyone ever got for 150 days was 5, most pilots got 2 or 3. It was patch work incentive to fly, and needed to be fixed. Part of the 2002 pay plan was to give both airplanes an addtional 13 days off per year and eliminate the inequity of the 150 day system, a majority of the pilots thought it was a good trade off. How come spencer did not answer this?
The maximum anyone ever got for 150 days was 5, most pilots got 2 or 3. It was patch work incentive to fly, and needed to be fixed. Part of the 2002 pay plan was to give both airplanes an addtional 13 days off per year and eliminate the inequity of the 150 day system, a majority of the pilots thought it was a good trade off. How come spencer did not answer this?
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You are very correct with the statement of the average freight company. Most on demand freight companies are "time builders". Average years of employment is less than 4 years.
This place is different. Granted, there are many here that are only here because the job market is sucketh right now. But there are quite a few that plan on making this their career place. When I came here, I was under the impression that is what USA Jet was. A place to hang out for a while, or a place to hang your hat for the long haul. This is not true for the Falcon obviously, but if given the opportunity to move to the DC9 one could actually be happy working here for many years. If you look at our hiring minimums we are looking for the pilots that are not just time building. We generally look for the pilots that have experience from the competion.
A union contract may benefit those individuals that plan on staying here 5 or 10 years or more. You are correct in your statement that the average young time builder would not overly benefit from a contract, but one has to make a hard decision on what would be benificial for the greater pilot population.
The company has now had thier chance to put thier side of the story out there. Some of it was good, some of it was skeptical. Now we have to make our best decision based on both sides.
Keep 'em in the green
You are very correct with the statement of the average freight company. Most on demand freight companies are "time builders". Average years of employment is less than 4 years.
This place is different. Granted, there are many here that are only here because the job market is sucketh right now. But there are quite a few that plan on making this their career place. When I came here, I was under the impression that is what USA Jet was. A place to hang out for a while, or a place to hang your hat for the long haul. This is not true for the Falcon obviously, but if given the opportunity to move to the DC9 one could actually be happy working here for many years. If you look at our hiring minimums we are looking for the pilots that are not just time building. We generally look for the pilots that have experience from the competion.
A union contract may benefit those individuals that plan on staying here 5 or 10 years or more. You are correct in your statement that the average young time builder would not overly benefit from a contract, but one has to make a hard decision on what would be benificial for the greater pilot population.
The company has now had thier chance to put thier side of the story out there. Some of it was good, some of it was skeptical. Now we have to make our best decision based on both sides.
Keep 'em in the green
Back to the issue...
Back to the "union buster" issue of what this post was really started as. That was the one part of the mandatory meeting that I was really turned off by. When Randy (the union buster) got up there to talk, he made me sick to my stomach. He is such a small person, not on the outside he is actually quite pudgey, but inside he is a small disrespectful person. He made a few statements that shows what he is really all about, such as how much he belittled people that work for a living. Just because someone gets his hands dirty at work does not make him a lessor human being in my eyes, but obviously in his. Just because someone doesn't make $2,000 a day spreading the anti union bullsh*t, he thinks they are less of a person because of his salary. He has no respect for anyone but himself, so how can I respect him. His little talk pushes more to the union side every day. His totally anti union views got old really, really quick. If you want to discuss why a union is good or bad for USA Jet that is one thing and I'll listen with an open mind. But to just slam unions as a whole lost me in the first ten minutes. His anti union stance as a whole I believe distorted his information from the start.
So I suppose I should thank him for helping make my decision.
Back to the "union buster" issue of what this post was really started as. That was the one part of the mandatory meeting that I was really turned off by. When Randy (the union buster) got up there to talk, he made me sick to my stomach. He is such a small person, not on the outside he is actually quite pudgey, but inside he is a small disrespectful person. He made a few statements that shows what he is really all about, such as how much he belittled people that work for a living. Just because someone gets his hands dirty at work does not make him a lessor human being in my eyes, but obviously in his. Just because someone doesn't make $2,000 a day spreading the anti union bullsh*t, he thinks they are less of a person because of his salary. He has no respect for anyone but himself, so how can I respect him. His little talk pushes more to the union side every day. His totally anti union views got old really, really quick. If you want to discuss why a union is good or bad for USA Jet that is one thing and I'll listen with an open mind. But to just slam unions as a whole lost me in the first ten minutes. His anti union stance as a whole I believe distorted his information from the start.
So I suppose I should thank him for helping make my decision.
Yes, I know what a 150 day WAS. You got a free day off for every 150 hours you fly the preceeding year.
I also know what layover pay WAS. An pay incentive for being stuck on the road that increased the longer you were on the road. I also know that you were not able to collect availability pay and layover pay at the same time.
I also know that USA Jet should ask for a refund from their union buster. He, as stated in above postings, was unprofessional, arrogant and rude. He is the best union advocate we have. Everytime he opened his mouth and cut someone off we got more votes. Everytime he referred to us a US Air, or US Air Jets we got more votes. I've talked to guys who were dead set against unions until they went to one of these MANDATORY meetings and were unable to ask a question without this guy cutting them off or totally misunderstanding the question. My impression of the guy was that he used to be muscle for the Teamsters. Money well spent.
I also know what layover pay WAS. An pay incentive for being stuck on the road that increased the longer you were on the road. I also know that you were not able to collect availability pay and layover pay at the same time.
I also know that USA Jet should ask for a refund from their union buster. He, as stated in above postings, was unprofessional, arrogant and rude. He is the best union advocate we have. Everytime he opened his mouth and cut someone off we got more votes. Everytime he referred to us a US Air, or US Air Jets we got more votes. I've talked to guys who were dead set against unions until they went to one of these MANDATORY meetings and were unable to ask a question without this guy cutting them off or totally misunderstanding the question. My impression of the guy was that he used to be muscle for the Teamsters. Money well spent.
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What you all have to ask yourselves is one simple question, do we have the numbers in terms of people to be a significant addition to the union we are joining.
While everyone has developed all the really cool catch phrases, the fact is that I have rarely seen a union be very productive in a company of this size. In fact, all the complaints about ALPA, which is a pilot union, and the regional membership should serve as an example that it is all about numbers from the unions perspective.
What you all have to ask yourselves is one simple question, do we have the numbers in terms of people to be a significant addition to the union we are joining.
While everyone has developed all the really cool catch phrases, the fact is that I have rarely seen a union be very productive in a company of this size. In fact, all the complaints about ALPA, which is a pilot union, and the regional membership should serve as an example that it is all about numbers from the unions perspective.
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