Typical KMRY-PHTO/PHKO routings

[hawkerflyer]

Wanted to know what some typical clearances were Westbound, doing some feasibility homework. A colleague did it recently in a GII and got direct Hilo shortly after departure.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Here's what UAL53 was given from KSFO-PHKO
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL53

Dunno if that helps or not...

 

[TriStar_drvr]

Get the charts out. Probably the best bet would be R 464 or R 576. The tracks to Hawaii are fixed, and the above two are the Westbound routes from Central and Southern California. R 465 and R 577 are for Eastbound traffic back to the mainland.

 

[hawkerflyer]

Did look at the charts and R464 looks like the one. Just wanted to know the likelyhood of staying on the airways or if any shortcuts were common. Thanks.

 

[FracCapt]

If you're thinking of doing this in any Hawker other than a 1000, better do your homework on wet footprint....especially for pressurization. Supposedly the 1000 can do it most of the time without a wet footprint, but I know nothing about the 1000 so I can't comment.

 

[wildbill]

We will be doing that run out of Oak next week. Using the track starting at BEBOP. Seems to be closest point.

 

[G100driver]

Wanted to know what some typical clearances were Westbound, doing some feasibility homework. A colleague did it recently in a GII and got direct Hilo shortly after departure.

It must have been through a prior agreement. You can short cut across the airways. With that said, however, I would not plan on it.

How did your friend make position reports? That would be an interesting question. I am not sure that you could go direct in RNP airpspace. Afterall, by defintion you will need lateral spacing and a direct clearence without pre-determined waypoints would not guarantee this.

Ace, correct me please!

 

[SkyBoy1981]

How did your friend make position reports? That would be an interesting question. I am not sure that you could go direct in RNP airpspace. Afterall, by defintion you will need lateral spacing and a direct clearence without pre-determined waypoints would not guarantee this.

Ace, correct me please!

I was wondering the same thing...

 

[wildbill]

I'm going to guess, but if you are above Fl400 you are out of the tracks. As to position reporting, that could be a real problem. I'm quite sure ATC in Hawaii would like a very even flow into the islands. No surprises as to how you come in.

 

[hawkerflyer]

I was wondering the same thing about position reports off airway. I'll have to find out, thanks for the info.

 

[Dumbledore]

It must have been through a prior agreement. You can short cut across the airways. With that said, however, I would not plan on it.

How did your friend make position reports? That would be an interesting question. I am not sure that you could go direct in RNP airpspace. Afterall, by defintion you will need lateral spacing and a direct clearence without pre-determined waypoints would not guarantee this.

Ace, correct me please!

People go off route all the time. Most of the time ATC can accomodate it. As for the position reports read the charts - all you have to do is report once an hour. Happens in the Atlantic all the time.

 

[G100driver]

Yes, but they are given coordinates to fly. Not just clear direct to a point some 2000 miles.

You cannot do this and maintain lateral seperation intgrety in a non-radar evironment.

I suggest that your read a an Alantic Orientaion Chart before you talk about what they do all the time in the Atlantic. You will see that this in NOT commom... or even permited.