TSA Class Dates

[JetDriver1]

Has anyone else heard a rumor that TSA is stopping classes for new-hires? I know that they were planning on class dates through the summer, but I wasn't sure if this changed recently.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

canceling or postponing and for what reasons..........

 

[rjacobs]

no new flying and the disappearing of the j41 so they have to send all those guys through thus taking the place of the new hires. I would say classes will start up again in june or july, maybe sooner if we get any new flying, but ill believe it when I see it.

 

[ERJFO]

no new flying and the disappearing of the j41 so they have to send all those guys through thus taking the place of the new hires. I would say classes will start up again in june or july, maybe sooner if we get any new flying, but ill believe it when I see it.

Hopefully that doesn't happen.

 

[rjacobs]

Why do you hope we dont get any new flying?

 

[labbats]

Because there is no new flying.

Any flying you pick up would be at the expense of another carrier.

 

[punkpilot48]

11 j41 crews are supposed to be going thru gs next month so they get priority.

And if we grow thats life folks. Same at your airline. You didn't hear a huge fuss when we lost a bunch of our airways flying to another regional did you?

 

[STINKER]

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Punkpilot,
With all due respect your downsize on the US airways side from 12 to 7 jets didn't result in any furloughs what so ever. If I recall all I got was a we'd like you to consider a voluntary leave memo which never materialized. Your new flying will put 500 or so pilots on the street...so you can make Hulas more money and get paid below industry standard to do it...so thats life! Any growth at TSA from XJT flying will be a slap in the face to the regional industry..


Stinker
Ex Waterskier Current Jetlinker

 

[ERJFO]

11 j41 crews are supposed to be going thru gs next month so they get priority.

And if we grow thats life folks. Same at your airline. You didn't hear a huge fuss when we lost a bunch of our airways flying to another regional did you?

You lost 5 airplanes, not 69... You didn't furlough anyone, you working for a sh%t contrat and sh%t pay results in people losing their jobs and being unable to pay their bills. Bottom line. But I guess "thats life" so it's okay and you shouldn't feel bad. Give me a break.

 

[punkpilot48]

maybe I should quit and go work at mcdonalds then huh?

 

[labbats]

Maybe you should quit defending TSA. It only makes you look dumb.

I have some good friends who fly there. I wish them no ill will, however, I know that not one of them would say that expansion for TSA was good for anyone but themselves. But, hey, that's airline life, right? Get yours and everyone else screw off.

 

[illtake2]

You lost 5 airplanes, not 69... You didn't furlough anyone, you working for a sh%t contrat and sh%t pay results in people losing their jobs and being unable to pay their bills. Bottom line. But I guess "thats life" so it's okay and you shouldn't feel bad. Give me a break.

You are an a$$hole, I am assuming you fly for Expressjet. First of all why don't you take a look at our contract and tell me why it sucks? Your contract is better than ours but ours isn't the worst out there. Next look at our ramp and tell me how many coex planes we have, then tell us how many 70 seaters we are flying for 50 seat pay. My last point will be tell me where the TSA pilots signed on the dotted line for any of their flying.

 

[temcgrew]

Any growth at TSA from XJT flying will be a slap in the face to the regional industry..

Who's hand is slapping who's face? Just a reminder that the mainline carrier is the one that puts things out for a bid. Industry leading contract makes for a more expensive contract with mainline and thus, the rejection of that for a lower one.

You lost 5 airplanes, not 69... You didn't furlough anyone, you working for a sh%t contrat and sh%t pay results in people losing their jobs and being unable to pay their bills. Bottom line. But I guess "thats life" so it's okay and you shouldn't feel bad. Give me a break.

Punkpilot didn't "loose" any airplanes, the use of "you" and "I" makes you take the blame off the real reason "you" are loosing 69 airplanes and the reason that "you" have to furlough pilots. It will not be the fault of the TSA pilot group that people cannot pay thier bills, so yeah, that's life. Besides, I haven't heard any announcement yet, you "you" haven't lost anything.

 

[rjacobs]

I thought XJT was not going to furlough anybody? And last time I checked we were not paid below industry standard, at least not much below. We get the same first year or better than alot of carriers(CHQ, XJT, Comair, etc.) but our pay does not start to get alot better until third year. We have a lot of people jump ship during year one and two so does it make it worth hulas's money to pay more during year two, especially because he sank a bunch of money into you for training only to have you leave? We are paid the way we are because history has proven that people leave during those first few years so why throw money at them when statisticaly they will not stay. Then in year three senority, recently, has been alowing upgrades so you get a very nice pay raise in year three when you move to captain if you stay that long.

 

[airjackson]

Labbats, Stinkman, et al:

Aren't you ladies getting those panties in a bunch a bit prematurely? Last time I checked, NOTHING had been decided on the future of any flying.

That being said, The majority of pilots flying here are operating under a contract that was adopted before they were even hired. They hardly are responsible for that contract, however you may feel about it. What this pilot group IS responsible for is NOT signing onto an industry-lowering contract in order to secure new growth.

Really, learn the facts. Don't post pure speculation and conjecture. Because as LAbbats put it so eloquently, it makes you look dumb.

 

[rjacobs]

Also, why is it that TSA seems to be about the only carrier on here getting shunned as one of the carriers in the running to pick up the Coex flying? Just a thought I was wondering about.

 

[fly4funcrj]

Complain all you want.. It is just a matter of time before blowjet gets the contract..

 

[Motive Flow]

Also, why is it that TSA seems to be about the only carrier on here getting shunned as one of the carriers in the running to pick up the Coex flying? Just a thought I was wondering about.

I'm sure Mesa's getting its share of Coex shunning.

Personally, I hope we don't get the Coex flying (don't really want hear all that blather about us being an "inferior product" ).

It's much better (and politically correct, I guess) to have new hire classes based on attrition. Some Captains are moving on to bigger and better jobs. FO's are leaving at a pretty good clip, too.

Hopefully things will work out for everyone. (cue the Cumbaya music)

 

[punkpilot48]

Also, why is it that TSA seems to be about the only carrier on here getting shunned as one of the carriers in the running to pick up the Coex flying? Just a thought I was wondering about.

I think TSA was the first one to be a full steamed rumor. There was a huge thread about asa a couple of days ago. TSA is looking into at least one other source of growth. But let the xjet guys just assume its "their" routes. Only one of two things will come happen if CAL pulls those routes:

1. TSA, ASA, Skywest or whoever gets those routes and xjet pilot group hates the other pilot group and the other pilot group says "not my fault"

2. MESA gets the routes every regional pilot continues their long love affair with MESA.

The whole topic isnt even worth bringing up at this moment. Nothing is in stone. And its said that you have to stand up for your company (if you beleive in all its values or not) before anything has even happend.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Before anyone points at TSA as the Bogey Man of contracts, last time I checked they were the only carrier in recent history to tell management to pound sand with their contract extention. This was an extention to fly brand new, shiny jets and they told management to put it where the sun didn't shine. Now if thats "bar lower" lowering, you guys can bite it. I don't want any growth at the expense of somebody else walking the street. Not many guys at TSA do.

BTW, real mature turning your back on TSA guys who've done their best to hold the line. Friggin babies blaming people who had no choice in the matter.

 

[sweptback]

Before anyone points at TSA as the Bogey Man of contracts, last time I checked they were the only carrier in recent history to tell management to pound sand with their contract extention. This was an extention to fly brand new, shiny jets and they told management to put it where the sun didn't shine. Now if thats "bar lower" lowering, you guys can bite it. I don't want any growth at the expense of somebody else walking the street. Not many guys at TSA do.

ASA did it too, back in 2003ish. And guess what, we still got the shiny jets.

 

[theo]

Before anyone points at TSA as the Bogey Man of contracts, last time I checked they were the only carrier in recent history to tell management to pound sand with their contract extention. This was an extention to fly brand new, shiny jets and they told management to put it where the sun didn't shine. Now if thats "bar lower" lowering, you guys can bite it. I don't want any growth at the expense of somebody else walking the street. Not many guys at TSA do.

BTW, real mature turning your back on TSA guys who've done their best to hold the line. Friggin babies blaming people who had no choice in the matter.

And exactly how did that hurt the owner and stop him from getting what he wanted? Also, how did it help the pilots at TSA who may have lost upgrades and better QOL if they had taken the deal? Sounds like the guy who shoots his foot off because it itches.

 

[Mr Biggelsworth]

QOL??? You scumbag blowjet pilot, there was absolutely nothing offered by mgmt through their "deal" that would have improved our lives if we would have taken that contract. Enjoy your shiny 70 seater and your 6 on, put you up in a hotel for 24 hours, and then 6 on again schedule. Oh yeah, I really enjoyed listening to the ramp tower in ORD last week blocking you guys in with one of our planes while you sh!theads tried to push from the gate. I laughed all day. Thanks for the smile.

 

[redbook]

And exactly how did that hurt the owner and stop him from getting what he wanted? Also, how did it help the pilots at TSA who may have lost upgrades and better QOL if they had taken the deal? Sounds like the guy who shoots his foot off because it itches.

The owner got what he wanted... an alter ego airline staffed by low lifes like you.

Sounds like...a scumbag g0jet pilot.

 

[ERJFO]

You are an a$$hole, I am assuming you fly for Expressjet. First of all why don't you take a look at our contract and tell me why it sucks? Your contract is better than ours but ours isn't the worst out there. Next look at our ramp and tell me how many coex planes we have, then tell us how many 70 seaters we are flying for 50 seat pay. My last point will be tell me where the TSA pilots signed on the dotted line for any of their flying.

Your right, I really don't know your contract and your not as bad as some others out there are at all... I have to appologise and say that I sunk my teath in a little bit because I'm reacting to what I'm hearing and not what is true - so I'm sorry. Aside from that, do you have a copy of your contract you could E-mail? I would like to look at it and see what the differences are. Thanks.

 

[JetDriver1]

Has anybody looked at www.transstates.net recently? The route map for the United Express side has some routes that go into Texas, and are all connected by dotted lines for some reason. I noticed this was new around mid-March. Are these the new routes?

 

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[great cornholio]

Punkpilot,
With all due respect your downsize on the US airways side from 12 to 7 jets didn't result in any furloughs what so ever. If I recall all I got was a we'd like you to consider a voluntary leave memo which never materialized. Your new flying will put 500 or so pilots on the street...so you can make Hulas more money and get paid below industry standard to do it...so thats life! Any growth at TSA from XJT flying will be a slap in the face to the regional industry..


Stinker
Ex Waterskier Current Jetlinker

We didn't furlough when the US Air side went from 12 to 7 because those 5 jets found flying with the other 2 codeshares. We didn't lose any jets so there was no need to furlough. Now the 11 41s are leaving and are being replaced by NOTHING so that means all of a sudden we have an extra 44 or so crews hanging out at TSA. Thats why the new hire classes are canned for the next few months cause we have 88 "extra" pilots. Also we are working on the below industry standard contract right now...aka the whole GJ thing and being in the middle of section 6 negotiations as we speak. As far as our contract goes it is soo old that when it was made (I wasn't here nor even in the industry then) that it was pretty much industry standard then. And we will make sure that the new contract is industry standard for now. Once again I don't want to see anyone on the street, but Coex guys don't need to be busting TSA guys balls (I've heard of some TSA guys gettin trash from some people) becasue first TSA didn't go to CAL and be like hey we would like 69 of your jets. CAL told everyone that hey we have 69 jets up for bid. So of course TSA bid just like every other regional out there. Second it doesnt sound like this is set in stone. Im sure Coex will take consessions or something to keep the flying so...if you guys make the cuts and go to below industry standard pay can we say it was a slap in the face for you guys to keep it???

 

[TSA145]

And exactly how did that hurt the owner and stop him from getting what he wanted? Also, how did it help the pilots at TSA who may have lost upgrades and better QOL if they had taken the deal? Sounds like the guy who shoots his foot off because it itches.

QOL????
you mean saying yes to an extention which allowed the company to forlough out of seniority (by equipment)??????ALL of the J41 F/Os would have been on thestreet while ************************* pilots kept their jobs?????Wow what a great deal....

 

[U-I pilot]

Has anybody looked at www.transstates.net recently? The route map for the United Express side has some routes that go into Texas, and are all connected by dotted lines for some reason. I noticed this was new around mid-March. Are these the new routes?

These were added to the system in mid march. As the picture shows, the hub city for those flights is SAT.... So yes, new routes.