Trainings Scenarios

[sleepy]

I am trying to come up with interesting and useful training scenarios for use during recurrent training at FSI for Falcon and Gulfstream aircraft. We want to develope something that is better than what FSI provides and also meets the requirements of FAR 61.57.

Does anybody ever done this for their company? Is there a company that anybody knows of that provides something like this?

 

[G100driver]

I am trying to come up with interesting and useful training scenarios for use during recurrent training at FSI for the Falcon 50EX, 900B and 900EX Easy aircraft. We want to develope something that is better than what FSI provides and also meets the requirements of FAR 61.57.

Does anybody ever done this for their company? Is there a company that anybody knows of that provides something like this?

Tough one. Since you have 2 types you can alternate years. One year you do the 50/900B and the next you do the EASy. I do not know of anyone who does actual aircraft training in the 900. You might want to call Brian Mott who has a company called Aviation 2000. He used to be the head cheese of FSI TEB DA-2000 program. He does actual aircraft training in the 2000 and 20. He might be able to give you a lead on the 50/900.

Your biggest obsticle will be find a DE in the 50/900 whom you insurance will accept.
http://www.aviation2000inc.com/

 

[sleepy]

Tough one. Since you have 2 types you can alternate years. One year you do the 50/900B and the next you do the EASy. I do not know of anyone who does actual aircraft training in the 900. You might want to call Brian Mott who has a company called Aviation 2000. He used to be the head cheese of FSI TEB DA-2000 program. He does actual aircraft training in the 2000 and 20. He might be able to give you a lead on the 50/900.

Your biggest obsticle will be find a DE in the 50/900 whom you insurance will accept.
http://www.aviation2000inc.com/

I guess I wasn't too clear. We are still going to do our training at FSI, we just want to develope our own training scenarios for use in their sims when we do recurrent training.

 

[con-pilot]

If you don’t mind me asking sleepy just why do you want to create a different training scenario than Flight Safety? Are considering training in the actual aircraft rather than in flight simulators?



Or do you desire to develop an alternate training scenario to use at Flight Safety?



If it is the latter please let me know how Flight Safety reacts to someone providing an alternate training scenario.



Thanks.

Sorry, I didn't read your last post, never mind!

 

[Spooky 1]

Well I suppose you could stay up for nights generating different emergencies or non-normals for your respective aircraft. Here are a couple of scenarios that have worked well in my past experience.

Engine failure while on a random routing at a FL above the NAT track, with a subsequent driftdown through and parallel to the existing NAT to a FL below 285 with a diversion to BKIF or EINN. This will take a realistic flight plan at the begining of the flight. The instructor can advance the aircraft along the flight planning so as not to take up to much idle time. You can throw a few simple non-normals in during time it takes to get to the engine failure. Cooridinate with your flight planning providor to create a realistic flight plan and of course the simulator needs to have a data base that will accomodate this type of scenario.

Don't know squat about the Falcon 2000 but fuel leaks can be simulated in such a manner that they are either in the tank itself, or out near the engine and these can be fairly subtle as well as confusing in their evaluations so as to call for the right checklist. Very educational to most pilots since the alternative actions can create significantly different out comes.

One for the CRM class that at least in our case generated signifcant issues that we had not thought of before was a medical diversion to an intermedeate European city. All the internal security issues and notifcations that had to be cooridinated with various IMPORTANT individuals brought out a lot of areas that perhaps we had not explored. This went way beyond just calling Med-Air and dealing with the medical problem at hand and followed through with aircraft repositioning, crew legality issues, and getting the medically challenged person back into our hands after having been sent to a hospital that was several hundred miles from the original destination. The whole process was very educational. Might not be in line with your type of operation but for us it could be a real possibility.

Hope this helps more than it hurts. Looking forward to other ideas since we are also exploring this issue.

 

[sleepy]

Well I suppose you could stay up for nights generating different emergencies or non-normals for your respective aircraft. Here are a couple of scenarios that have worked well in my past experience.

Engine failure while on a random routing at a FL above the NAT track, with a subsequent driftdown through and parallel to the existing NAT to a FL below 285 with a diversion to BKIF or EINN. This will take a realistic flight plan at the begining of the flight. The instructor can advance the aircraft along the flight planning so as not to take up to much idle time. You can throw a few simple non-normals in during time it takes to get to the engine failure. Cooridinate with your flight planning providor to create a realistic flight plan and of course the simulator needs to have a data base that will accomodate this type of scenario.

Don't know squat about the Falcon 2000 but fuel leaks can be simulated in such a manner that they are either in the tank itself, or out near the engine and these can be fairly subtle as well as confusing in their evaluations so as to call for the right checklist. Very educational to most pilots since the alternative actions can create significantly different out comes.

One for the CRM class that at least in our case generated signifcant issues that we had not thought of before was a medical diversion to an intermedeate European city. All the internal security issues and notifcations that had to be cooridinated with various IMPORTANT individuals brought out a lot of areas that perhaps we had not explored. This went way beyond just calling Med-Air and dealing with the medical problem at hand and followed through with aircraft repositioning, crew legality issues, and getting the medically challenged person back into our hands after having been sent to a hospital that was several hundred miles from the original destination. The whole process was very educational. Might not be in line with your type of operation but for us it could be a real possibility.

Hope this helps more than it hurts. Looking forward to other ideas since we are also exploring this issue.

Thanks Spooky1, That is the kind of stuff I am looking for. It's not that FSI is that bad, but our pilots are usually signed-off by the second day of recurrent. The final day is just being wasted going over the same old stuff. We are looking to challenge our pilots with realistic training (not necessarily a LOFT) that will make a more productive use of our time.