Tower's talking while still rolling out

[Ultraman]

Has anyone else experienced the tower giving instructions and/or asking questions while you are still on the landing roll with reversers and speed brakes out, looking down the runway for f.o.d., animals, other traffic, etc.?

Normally, I have to ask them to repeat what they just said as I am too busy concentrating on not running off the runway.

It seems as though they could wait at least a few more seconds before starting their instructions.

 

[jetexas]

All the time. I just try to listen to what they said but don't bother answering until clear of the runway.

 

[Saabslime]

Don't answer, don't ask them to repeat. Make em wait till your clear. This is becoming more of a problem every year it seems because too many pilots answer during this critical phase of flight. If more people took jetexas's approach, I think ATC would eventually get the picture.

 

[chperplt]

How about on the take-off roll and they want to give you new departure info. Happening quite a bit in LGA lately.

 

[GCD]

Start writing the NASA forms, and they'll get the picture really fast. This was a problem about ten years ago until the NASA forms rained down on them, then it stopped. Seems like the newer controllers need a litlle wake-up call dropped on them as well.

 

[generaltso]

i've had them giving me instructions while i was in the flare... at night usually. It's hard for them to see when your on the ground I guess.

 

[rjcap]

After you have exited the runway and time permitting ask for the tower phone number and then make a followup call. if you are not pleased with their response then write up the NASA form.

This is definitely a problem. I have been given taxi instructions while on the landing roll approx 110 knots.

 

[njcapt]

Jeez, you must have been reading my mind. Last week in LGA I was landing in gusty crosswinds on RW 4. We had to refuse the hold short, but were giving all we had to get off by P taxiway for the controller. During the highest workload part of the roll out - the exchange of controls and radio duties just below 60 knots - the controller asked us TWICE if we could hold short. In the split second before I could get back to him, he almost yells 'I can't see you nodding your head, Amtran, can you hold short or not?'

It was all I could do to avoid popping off at this azzhole, but I managed to maintain my serenity and say nothing. My Captain (kind of an anxious sort) started to get on the radio to reply to him, but I keyed the mike at the same time - really, not on purpose - blocking his transmission. Then I switched to ground and told the ground dude we were able the hold short. Probably not the most professional of behavior, but I think I made my point.

I never thought of the NASA report idea, but I definitely use them in the future as a punitive action for this kind of behavior.

 

[chperplt]

If you're a frequent visitor to LGA, I'm sure you've noticed that the quality of control has gone to sh!t. 45 minute delays before you start your taxi because the controllers can't keep a flow moving. 30 calls to ground holding at spot XX for taxi before you even get a "You're in the sequence" response.

Is LGA a training tower?

 

[njcapt]

Yeah, when I started flying there back in the early '90's they were a lot more responsible for their actions. These days, you get the response 'standby' when you call for taxi from a reporting spot. You sit there waiting for them to call you back, listening to several aircraft that called after you get taxi instructions, then being told 'standby' again when you get the nerve to call them back. As a long time LGA victim, I just key the mike for five seconds or so then slowly and clearly make my call. They get so torqued off they let you taxi just to get rid of you.

Last week I got my clearance just before we pushed back from the gate, then got the bad news that we were indefinitely delayed when I called for taxi three minutes later. Then ground sent us over to the clearance freq something like three times for a new route, only to be told by the clearance guy that they had nothing for us. The last time I told the ground guy to turn his head and actually ask the clearance unit if we truly had a new route.

... and traffic is almost back up to pre - 9/11 levels. God help us.

 

[T-Gates]

Just curious, when you guys get your releases for a flight out of LGA, do they add more taxi fuel than usual onto the release? Logic would say yes, but you never know.

Thanks,

--03M

 

[PropTrash]

Our dispatchers are usually good about adding extra taxi fuel at LGA. When the weather is bad, we usually end up using every drop.

 

[chperplt]

No added taxi fuel on the release.. Extra fuel is always added though.

 

[Humblepilot]

Has anyone else experienced the tower giving instructions and/or asking questions while you are still on the landing roll with reversers and speed brakes out, looking down the runway for f.o.d., animals, other traffic, etc.?

I refuse to talk to a controller either as the flying pilot or non flying pilot while the airplane is in the high speed regime on the landing roll. And when they get snappy tell them is just unsafe to answer them. Most realize the error of their ways, when they don't just ask for their initials and talk to the facility supervisor.

Humble

 

[Otto_Pilot]

LGA

OFF TOPIC...

LGA is still a ghost-town compared to the amount of traffic that was present there prior to 09/11.

At that time it was not unusual to get the clearance (with my old company via acars) and then wait 20 minutes to get on with clearance to give them the squawk/climbout readback.

Then it was inevitably over an hour-long taxi with airplanes lined up on all of the "doubles" (AA, BB, CC, etc...) Engines were shut down for long periods of time and quite frequently we would return to the gate for fuel or crew-rest issues.

Today flying into LGA is disturbing. I believe Laguardia to be the single most powerful indication of the massive reduction in airline capacity.

In the single highest yielding market in the country there is rarely a wait of more than a few minutes for departure. A look at US Airways terminal is most telling of all -- rather than the 737s, DC9s, MD80s, and the odd 757 that used to occupy the mainline concourse it is almost entirely filled with regional aircraft of every type.

This is not the LaGuardia that I remember. The implications will no doubt dramatically impact all of our career expectations.

 

[stillaboo]

LGA is soley responsible for aprox. 40% of all the airline delays across the US. All the RJ's and Lears use the same amount of time as a 75 would with out moving the people. LGA is very indicative of the industry as a whole, including the rush to talk to us on rollout or at rotation.

-Boo!

 

[SkyWestCRJPilot]

This happens all the time to us. I'll be the flying pilot and the at 70 knots the captain calls out "70". I start stowing the reversers and at 60 knots the captain calls out "I have the flight controls," then I say, "you have the flight controls." All the meanwhile tower is telling us some taxi instructions just at the time while we are saying these required calls to each other. Much of the time I have to ask tower to repeat because we were talking over him. Someone needs to let these controllers know to be quiet till we've slowed down a little more.

 

[spngbobsqrpilot]

something about still's reply is making me verrrrryyyy sleepy... dunno what... lol

 

[Timebuilder]

Strange.

Suddenly, I'm thirsty for milk.

 

[enigma]

I had a reply in mind until I saw stillaboo's avatar. Boo you should be ashamed, some of us are very impressionable; you could be contributing to delinquency of a 40 year old minor. ;-)

Now, what was I going to say, Oh yea, When controllers start dishing out instructions, I just think of milk. Er, drats. lost my train of thought again. OK, I just ignore them, that's what I do, I just ignore them.

Seriously, I do ignore them unless I am in a position to clearly understand the controller. In that case, I just refuse to respond until I get to taxi speed. We all have a habit of making our job as easy as possible, and trying to be as accomodating as possible to the controllers enables them to make our job a little easier. However, being stubborn, I try to draw the line at responding while still on the rollout(above taxi speed). With that said, I will respond if I feel comfortable and if doing so will save me some hassle. That doesn't happen very often.

Good topic, regards,
enigma

Edited to add this question. What kind of a file is stillaboos avatar? The same question applies to Timebuilders moving clock and others that show movement. How do you do that?